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Meitheisman
posted: 2019-11-08 11:53:52 (ID: 100144599) Report Abuse
hollyhh2000 wrote:
imo, the impact of playoff success on the finances is too big, so you cannot predict your income very accurately

lose 2 years in a row in the first round of the SC playoffs and then you can't fully pledge in the mediacenter which even further lowers your budget

An it still should be a competition, so you try to field the most competetive team


IMO you should plan for no PO at all every season, if you do make the PO and get extra money then spend it the following season. If you want to plan on making the PO and getting that extra income you certainly can but that's taking a risk, when you take a risk and miss you suffer consequences. I have no problem with this.
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posted: 2019-11-08 12:34:07 (ID: 100144600)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
pete wrote:
jack6 wrote:

So from my point of view, yes the managers have to manage their teams, but there are not many tools to work with, once things got to the worst.


The best tool is to plan ahead a little. And another good tool is to recognize your faulty finances as soon as possible. I see managers struggling with salaries at 2 million, and in the minus by 5 million. At that point it is quite easy to solve. They main problem in my opinion: managers do not acknowledge the need of clean finances over sports success, and stick with overpaid rosters, staff and coaches.


Hey pete - how about eliminating the severance pay for canceling contracts & firing coaches.

Also once a teams season ends - (no more official games) end the weekly payrolls.





Another thing would be to fix the TM.

Once a season begins no longer have free agents available. Only team affiliated players for sale..

Last edited on 2019-11-08 12:36:16 by punch drunk

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Meitheisman
posted: 2019-11-08 12:49:24 (ID: 100144601) Report Abuse
If we do that then we should eliminate contract mode entirely. When you sign a multi-season contract with a player you save money (that's the pro) but you also have to pay a penalty if you break that contract (that's the con). Why should there be a pro without a con?
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posted: 2019-11-08 12:58:43 (ID: 100144602) Report Abuse
A Salary cap could eliminate the bankrupcy ghost by adding a longterm value into it.

Bases Salary = all income of league / 32 (minus some security or so)
(and don't forget the coaches also).

Penalty values are granted for slightly pushing over the cap (like promoting YA players or getting drafties or so) or cutting long term players, spread over seasons.

Adjusted Salary = Base Salary - penalty values.

example: 5 mio base salary per week.
I cut a player with a penalty of 5 mio and he had 1.5 seasons left.
5 mio is spread over 36 weekly updates, which is roughly 140K per week.
So the Salary cap next season is for 36 weeks 4.860.000

While contracts are prolonged the max salary for the roster can not exceed the value.

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posted: 2019-11-08 13:04:21 (ID: 100144603) Report Abuse
jack6 wrote:
A Salary cap could eliminate the bankrupcy ghost by adding a longterm value into it.

Bases Salary = all income of league / 32 (minus some security or so)
(and don't forget the coaches also).

Penalty values are granted for slightly pushing over the cap (like promoting YA players or getting drafties or so) or cutting long term players, spread over seasons.

Adjusted Salary = Base Salary - penalty values.

example: 5 mio base salary per week.
I cut a player with a penalty of 5 mio and he had 1.5 seasons left.
5 mio is spread over 36 weekly updates, which is roughly 140K per week.
So the Salary cap next season is for 36 weeks 4.860.000

While contracts are prolonged the max salary for the roster can not exceed the value.



Are a lot of people who haven't been able to plan against bankruptcy really going to get their heads around this?
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posted: 2019-11-08 13:12:51 (ID: 100144604)  Edits found: 2 Report Abuse
Don't know. I guess it's a matter of communication and presentation.

If the parameters are clearly visible,

like cap room total,
used cap space,
penalty values and their duration (to make it easy, you could put penalties always just over seasons, so instead of 36 weeks it would be 2 seasons),
and what your action will cause when doing something (like firing the player, what is the penalty and when does it apply and what will be the cap space afterwards)

then not so many.

Because then you have a guidance and a space in which you can act.

Right now you can baloon the roster as much as you like, spend 10 mio per week, as long as money is there, but once the money is gone you sit on a big mess.

With such a cap you would have never been able to hire a 10mio per week roster, so the mess is alot less.

Last edited on 2019-11-08 13:14:02 by jack6

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posted: 2019-11-08 13:30:02 (ID: 100144605) Report Abuse
Could you not have these sort of visible parameters with the way things are at the moment?
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posted: 2019-11-08 13:43:02 (ID: 100144606) Report Abuse
The forecast site has that sort of, but does lack the depth from my point of view and it does not prevent you from going way over the top by a shopping spree or some other dump stuff.

I don't want to blame the forecast site in general, but I barely use it, since it just don't add up the numbers until season ends soon and even then it is scatchy.

For a salary cap I have a much simpler forecast in mind, just a few numbers ars written on a weekly basis, that's it.

Since the income should also be spread (hence income of league / 32) the numbers be much more accurate to cover the costs and income.

But that means most of the financial concept of RZA action is changed AND the new one has to be still a wider field of options to build up a team, oherwise you could just skip the money aspect.

Not easy, but doable.
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posted: 2019-11-08 13:44:58 (ID: 100144607) Report Abuse
I think my main issue with a salary cap, as I've said before, is that I feel it goes against the notion of parity with the way the economy is set up.
In my mind (which doesn't count for a lot to be honest ) it seems like the result would be everyone gets the same amount to spend on wages but the more successful teams will be able to maintain success easier as they'll have more money to spend on the transfer market than the less successful teams.
I guess the less successful teams would be able to make money by selling their number 1 draft picks to the Bowl winners with the money the Bowl winners got from the playoffs
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posted: 2019-11-08 13:49:26 (ID: 100144608) Report Abuse
Not if the league money is spread equally.

The only income beside the league would be different, like transfer and expenses on scouts, coaches and so on.

This has to be calculated very carefully to have it fair for all but open enough to find 'your' personal style and not 32 cookie cutter teams of the same setup.
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