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noodle
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posted: 2019-10-03 14:51:21 (ID: 100143834) Report Abuse |
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i think the point is consistently. if that happened then the O should get some benefit as they would change tactic in real life as they can pretty much guess what is gonna happen. we cant do that here due to it not being live action.
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| posted: 2019-10-03 21:09:13 (ID: 100143837) Report Abuse | |
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PJRAVENS wrote:
(...) if the defense fails to lineup there is already a "penalty" (...) would you mind share a little more of your thought.... linkleo911 wrote:
There is already a "penalty" on blitzing. I do not see the point of having an extra penalty for this. We have a LTD (Lopsided Tactics Detection) to find the offense guilty of lopsided tactics. We do not have a BAD (Blitz Abuse Detection) to charge the defense with blitz abuse, and the penalties accordingly. We do not have any LSD (Lazy Scheme Detection) to convict and condemn the defense when playing the same formation, or too often. |
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| posted: 2019-10-04 02:31:45 (ID: 100143839) Report Abuse | |
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Ummm.
Do you not understand that the formation itself can be weak vs specific offensive plays AND the same D formation can be ordered to focus vs a run play or a pass play. So if you you are playing run D than it will be weaker vs a pass play and vice a versa. No need for a defense formation penalty... If it's the wrong D then it is already inherently penalized for being wrong. |
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| posted: 2019-10-04 05:06:05 (ID: 100143842) Edits found: 3 Report Abuse | |
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punch drunk wrote:
(...) the same D formation can be ordered to focus vs a run play or a pass play. (...) If it's the wrong D then it is already inherently penalized for being wrong. Understanding what's is said and already done (about Lopsided Tactics) : there must be penalties when the Offense is found guilty (therefore, less success, less chance of points being scored... no win) Then, what about the penalty when it's the good D (not if it is the wrong one) ? And what about the penalty when the same D formation is always ordered vs a run play or a pass play (good or bad does not matter) ? By the way, some O are already inherently penalized for being wrong. Ceynwyn wrote:
(5-2 100%)
(..) last supercup game (...) lost and he only played (...) 5-2 defence. Last edited on 2019-10-04 05:44:54 by Drogon |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2019-10-04 07:54:00 (ID: 100143847) Report Abuse |
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Drogon wrote:
Then, what about the penalty when it's the good D (not if it is the wrong one) ? Then are they not just playing good defense? |
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| posted: 2019-10-04 07:58:56 (ID: 100143848) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse | |
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We are forgetting one thing: the defense (formation) is chosen based on the opp offense (formation). If the penalty applies to the offense repeating the play so we will have to penalize the defense that is also going to repeat its formation (the one specified on playbook to be deployed against that offensive play). If we have penalties from both sides of the ball... we do not have a penalty at all.
So I believe that only the offense must be penalized. Last edited on 2019-10-04 08:22:44 by linkleo911 |
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Ceynwyn
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posted: 2019-10-04 08:08:24 (ID: 100143849) Report Abuse |
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linkleo911 wrote:
... So I believe that only the offense must be penalized. Agree with you |
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| posted: 2019-10-04 08:33:14 (ID: 100143850) Report Abuse | |
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Cheesehead wrote:
Drogon wrote:
Then, what about the penalty when it's the good D (not if it is the wrong one) ? Then are they not just playing good defense? They are, indeed. But not penalized. Can the O not be penalized because of their choice that best suits their strategy (roster, preferred plays, opponent etc...) when they play the good O ? linkleo911 wrote:
We are forgetting one thing: the defense (formation) is chosen based on the opp offense (formation). Not forgotten. It just doesn't change anything. Look : Ceynwyn wrote:
(5-2 100%)
(..) last supercup game (...) lost and he only played (...) 5-2 defence. Ceynwyn wrote:
linkleo911 wrote:
... So I believe that only the offense must be penalized. Agree with you Ceynwyn wrote:
In my last supercup game against Misawa I lost and he only played shotgun 4 pass on offense and 5-2 defence. Although playing 100% 5-2 on D, that was an oustanding defense, wasn't it ? Great coaching, right ? |
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dumpling
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posted: 2019-10-04 08:35:31 (ID: 100143851) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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linkleo911 wrote:
... So I believe that only the offense must be penalized - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------- Yes but to what degree? Maybe they already are penalised but not enough for you to win the game in which case people assume the penalty isn't big enough. Its frustrating to lose - i get that - especially when sometimes your opponent does the same thing over and over. However because we can't see exactly how each statistic of all players and coaches determines each particular play I don't think we should be further increasing variables. Unless the game is played in real time so we can react to plays there and then or there are changes to the playbook options (as in if opponent runs X play for Y time in a row then Z) I suggest we trust Pete to keep the game balanced so that a varied and skill team and playbook will defeat one that's not most of the time Last edited on 2019-10-04 08:36:05 by dumpling |
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PJRAVENS
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posted: 2019-10-04 08:43:54 (ID: 100143852) Report Abuse |
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Offense choose how to play
Formation/Play Type/Play (pass/rush) Direction (inside/outside) Defender doesn't have at disposal a general purpose "best" formation that can cover all the possibility. He has to scout, guess and choose (what he think to be!) the best defense. Defense auto adjust accordingly switching from pass to rush and vice versa, but do not not auto adjust accordingly if offense change play direction. So also the offense has to scout his opponent and play accordingly Talking about the werewolves game... The opponent chose always 5-2 defense but werewolves when played rush chose always outside and achieved in 18 rushes 7.6 avg yards. Is it not enough? When played pass avg 7.7 yards. Do we need a penalty on top? On the contrary the opponent played always SG 4 WR pass. We know in this case for sure the lop side penalty was applied, but this was not enough because the offense achieved an avg of 6.9 yards. Why? Because if your defense has a TC of 70% and your CBs miss the 35.2% of the tackles the penalty is not enough to compensate the deficit. This is not the true, but only my opinion of course... |
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