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Kanar
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posted: 2020-02-28 06:34:24 (ID: 100146967) Report Abuse |
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Following Pete’s statement and the few examples you gave, my understanding is:
- if you set up a medium/deep pass in the PB, the engine will always use a medium/deep pass no matter the situation. - if you set up a pass in the Pb, the engine will use a medium/deep pass based on the distance to get a new first down Therefore I would say in the first INT that the player set up 3&11 to 20 Medium Pass For the second case, I would say it was 3&11 to 20 Deep pass. And just read this from our bible: The Quarterback will try to attempt a new first down if you set just "Pass" without giving further instructions on the depth for the throw. Pass instruction is a situational rule in the playbook with all the downsides coming with the higher distance to cover. Then it is confirmed SF can be involved on those passes. Now it remains to confirm is the SF rating / coach are always involved in the completion calculation even if it is a CB or a LB that makes the play in the game report. |
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PJRAVENS
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posted: 2020-02-28 07:37:16 (ID: 100146969) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse |
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My understanding is like yours.
I'm with you for the second case. I'd like to be a little more cautious for the first case. The "for 15 yards to him" seem suggest a medium pass was set in the playbook... but it was a 3 and 20 to go on own 27.... This means that who sets a rule 11-20 / medium pass is thinking: 1) complete a 15 yds pass and hope in a YAC of at least 6 yds 2) play a 4 & long from his own 37-42 3) punt anyway from his own 37-42 quite wierd... I do think for us is impossibile to discover if in some way SF rating / coach are always involved in the completion calculation even if it is a CB or a LB that makes the play. Note: A medium pass means 15 yds and deep pass more than 15 yds or am I wrong? Last edited on 2020-02-28 07:53:01 by PJRAVENS |
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PJRAVENS
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posted: 2020-02-28 07:47:17 (ID: 100146970) Report Abuse |
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Here another example.
Impossibile to know the playbook rule, pass or pass deep? Q2 7:55 3 and 24 to go on own 21, Daniel Kennedy (OC) snaps the ball to Jamie Maher (QB), Jamie Maher (QB) selected Chuthamani Prasitharath (WR/L) as target, he passes inner left for 25 yards to him, intercepted by Benjamin Gérard (FS/R) on the own 46 (Shotgun 4 WR vs. 3-4-4) more |
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Kanar
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posted: 2020-02-28 12:54:59 (ID: 100146973) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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When I look at the games from a team using 100% Deep passes strategy in our league, I see this:
 Source: https://i.ibb.co/JnyWtd5/1-catch.png I conclude that on completed deep passes, the outcome before yac can be different. If we look at the field graphic, we can see that despite being caught in the 10-20y range, the pass is recorded in the 20-30y.  Source: https://i.ibb.co/HDFctty/1-catch-field.png My guess is that the total distance of the play is defined first by the engine based on the players capacity to break tackles and produce yac, and then the actual yac from the report would be assigned pretty much randomly (I may be totally wrong). I gathered a small sample of data over 6 games from the same team and we can see that the initial catch on a deep pass can be made as close a 9y and can go up to 23. I am confident that on a larger sample we could even stretch the range.  Source: https://i.ibb.co/6J9nDdr/1-catch-compil.png When it is an interception, it is always on a 25y throw. For medium pass, it seems to be always on a 15y throw. This is why I think this second play you mentioned was a medium pass, which would not be a good call in the situation. About the last play you posted separately, I really can not say if it is a situational pass or a deep pass. For me both could lead to this outcome. ONly thing I am confident is it should not be a medium pass nor... a run! 
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PJRAVENS
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posted: 2020-02-28 13:49:20 (ID: 100146974) Report Abuse |
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very interesting thank you very much.
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Kanar wrote:
My guess is that the total distance of the play is defined first by the engine based on the players capacity to break tackles and produce yac, and then the actual yac from the report would be assigned pretty much randomly (I may be totally wrong). The engine calculates the outcome of the pass, and once completed, it calculates possible YAC. |
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Kanar
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posted: 2020-02-28 16:43:03 (ID: 100146976) Report Abuse |
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Thanks for the precision.
But does that means that theoricly a deep pass could lead to a 9yd catch (see line 3 of my last table) with no yac behind or by the outcome you meant completion (or incomplete or INT) already including the total yardage gained? |
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| posted: 2020-02-29 09:55:12 (ID: 100146989) Report Abuse | |
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Think a little bit different.
The engine calculates a 9 yd pass, which is a "short pass". Once the pass in complete, it calculate possible gain after catch. Might be, the gain turns it in a deep pass from a statistics point of view. This is because in American Football stats the depth of pass includes airtime and YAC |
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Cheesehead
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posted: 2020-03-01 20:21:45 (ID: 100147016) Report Abuse |
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So is there no way of knowing what the YAC is from the log of the play? In the stats of the game it does give YAC for each WR so it seems it should be possible to display in the game log as well?
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Kanar
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posted: 2020-03-01 20:57:00 (ID: 100147023) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Think a little bit different. The engine calculates a 9 yd pass, which is a "short pass". Once the pass in complete, it calculate possible gain after catch. Might be, the gain turns it in a deep pass from a statistics point of view. This is because in American Football stats the depth of pass includes airtime and YAC I don’t really get it. If I understand what you say, the engine could have calculate a small yac after a 9yd pass, with a deep pass in the PB, leading to something else as a result that a deep pass? Seriously, my brain hurts. |
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