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Maynard
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posted: 2020-08-24 15:33:30 (ID: 100151896) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
You wanna kill a region? This means you would kill 4 regions. Keep the power of 2 so RZA Elite promotion can work out. Killing 4 regions will resilt in 32 elite spots, 128 D1 spots. So you need to convnce about 130 teams to relegate to a D2. Is this the plan? Man, that is so much math all at once. Let me figure out what you're saying. And I apologize for being slow, and wired on a lot of coffee this morning. So let's say you take Region X, and they only have 24 teams and the rest bots. You're saying it's not as simple as taking those 24 teams, and placing them into other leagues where bot spots already exist, is that correct? Again, forgive me for not considering all implications. I know this has come up before, so you're probably sick of talking about it.  |
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| posted: 2020-08-24 15:38:19 (ID: 100151897) Edits found: 2 Report Abuse | |
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Still in my opinion, we should not get rid off the bot teams by changing the league structure (and for what it's worth, I would be OK to relegate in SD2 or in another region with similar game time for the greater good), but we should do it by "winning" new managers.
I understand it failed 6 years ago. It does not mean there is no way in 2020 to improve RZA visibility. Also quick idea that does not cost much: each new manager can have the option in the registration to fill the name of another manager who introduced him to the game. If 3 seasons later the new manager is still active, both (or just the veteran, as you wish) receive 159 credits (3 months supporter account). That could motivate current managers to sustainably recruit new ones. Last edited on 2020-08-24 15:39:42 by Kanar |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2020-08-24 15:41:09 (ID: 100151898) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
You wanna kill a region? This means you would kill 4 regions. Keep the power of 2 so RZA Elite promotion can work out. Killing 4 regions will resilt in 32 elite spots, 128 D1 spots. So you need to convnce about 130 teams to relegate to a D2. Is this the plan? Great plan imo. |
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Maynard
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posted: 2020-08-24 16:27:29 (ID: 100151902) Report Abuse |
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How suggestions should work.
Okay, since this thread is not making a suggestion, per se, I just want to say what I was thinking one more time. Then if someone knows why it technically does not work, as opposed to, why it isn't in the right spirit or something, that's what I'm looking for. Let's say Galaxy league has 24 human teams, and 8 bot teams. What are the challenges involved in moving those 24 teams (on a technical level, not emotional) to other leagues, and placing them where the bots are. I understand there are different time zones for sims, but I don't think that's enough reason to not consider this sort of move. I would also say, we should just bunch up all of the "D2" leagues (Galaxy 2, Fire 2, etc) into one league. One time zone for sims. If it doesn't work for someone signing up, that's okay. But now, when a new person comes in, it's not them and 31 bots. They aren't alone. There is a community. Again, if you think this is a bad idea on a "aw man, that's sad" level, I'm wondering if we can leave that part out of the discussion momentarily, because maybe it can't happen technically anyhow. But I'd like to know why. Then, once we say, "wow, this could happen, and here is how", then we can hear from folks saying "bad bad bad." But if a majority is on board, we can throw it into the suggestion thread for Pete to consider. Lastly, this is not a crusade of mine or anything. If it doesn't go anywhere, I'm fine. We're just talking.  |
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| posted: 2020-08-24 16:33:53 (ID: 100151903) Report Abuse | |
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Killing 1 region only would reduce the amount of regions from 8, which is exactly the amount of divisions in Elite, to 7.
That would mean the promotion and relegation processes would become much more complicated, if you want to keep the 8 divisions in elite intact. It would be much easier to eliminate 4 regions and go from 8 to 4 and adapt the promotion and relegation rules that way that for example the conference finalist go to elite and a region fills up 2 divisions, while with 7 regions you would have to get 4 extra teams out of 7 regions by some rule non-existing right now. |
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Maynard
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posted: 2020-08-24 16:41:19 (ID: 100151905) Report Abuse |
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jack6 wrote:
Killing 1 region only would reduce the amount of regions from 8, which is exactly the amount of divisions in Elite, to 7. That would mean the promotion and relegation processes would become much more complicated, if you want to keep the 8 divisions in elite intact. It would be much easier to eliminate 4 regions and go from 8 to 4 and adapt the promotion and relegation rules that way that for example the conference finalist go to elite and a region fills up 2 divisions, while with 7 regions you would have to get 4 extra teams out of 7 regions by some rule non-existing right now. Okay thank you. Do you suppose there is a possible way to set up an additional relegation set of games, ones that cross different leagues, that establish the four teams that enter the 8th division in Elite? I don't know the specifics as of yet, but I'm asking, would that resolve the idea of taking out 4 leagues? (I think you're saying region for what I'm calling league, I hope that's not creating confusion). |
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Maynard
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posted: 2020-08-24 16:48:47 (ID: 100151906) Report Abuse |
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Maybe relegation matches between the 8 conference championship losers. The winners of those 4 matches go into a division in Elite?
Then, the following season, those 4 teams have to fend off incoming conference championship losers from that season? Just thinking out loud here. It would be weird, but seems like less work than dismantling 4 leagues... |
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Maynard
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posted: 2020-08-24 17:01:39 (ID: 100151907) Edits found: 1 Report Abuse |
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Uh oh, I'm writing 3 times in a row, that's lame, but here I go:
So you have this 8th division open up in Elite where teams with lesser players and experience (cause they did lose the conference championships after all) get exposure to that high level of competition, but don't get relegated back down because they got thumped by the other Elite teams, but because teams coming up the following season were just a little bit better (even though they lost their conf championship). So it all becomes it's own competition among the conf championship losers every season. Still need to think of a way for a team to move out of the 8th division and into the other 7 though. Stop me if I'm way off track. Please. EDIT: I guess I hijacked this thread and said "don't disagree with me, just inform me of technicalities" lol. Coffee wearing off and now I'm more remorseful. Sorry for derailing what was meant to be a conversation about finding more managers. Is it a stretch to suggest that condensing leagues to make for less bots might draw more new players in because it looks better than seeing bots all over the place, plus makes for a better experience once they're here? Last edited on 2020-08-24 17:12:34 by Maynard |
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| posted: 2020-08-24 21:09:31 (ID: 100151930) Report Abuse | |
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Maynard - I very much appreciate your input. in the past I had lots of thoughts and ideas how to reform the league system. As far as I remember Pete's argument, this is really complicated and needs lots of programming. I don't believe, this is an option at this time and I doubt, it will be in the future.
The structure will not be touched. This means, we have only one direction to go. Or we somehow get new managers in or RZA is slowly dying of. Pete, I know you have tried a lot. And I am not saying you did this wrong or badly. You have created an excellent game. It is complicated. But it is fun. So, in your mind, everything has been tried to get people here and there is just no way ? |
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Bovakian
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posted: 2020-08-24 21:09:50 (ID: 100151931) Report Abuse |
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The simplest way to fill up the 8 regions would be to kill off the Elite league. |
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