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Rufio13
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posted: 2023-11-29 20:13:12 (ID: 100179211) Report Abuse
I guess I should throw my tentacled hat into the ring here.

I have no issue with the team that won. Team ratings are not terribly indicative of a team's actual ability. Sure it's a barometer, but when I was a hatchling I routinely beat teams with ratings 20+ higher than mine. I was in elite and somehow winning games (not a lot) with a team rating under 70. I won't get into the weeds of the team rating flaws, but you can't look at it and decide that team is a pushover unless you know certain things about your team that match up.

Kanar did bring up the conversation that fell off from a couple seasons ago about cheap tactics not actually being addressed. I'm still off the mind that it should be changed. I feel there were some solutions posed that could solve the issue, of not just temporarily until a better solution could be implemented. Obviously, I like the game. But I don't like that parts of it can be gamed. It's a roster builder, money managing, playbook sim. Adjusting your playbook to make roster building easier and needing less money should give the defense a big bonus.

Just look at the Malone's final season offense as an example.

Anyways, happy holiday season to you guys and please stop retiring my players early Pete. The stout is in the mail.
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posted: 2023-11-29 21:26:52 (ID: 100179213) Report Abuse
Rufio13 wrote:
I guess I should throw my tentacled hat into the ring here.

I have no issue with the team that won. Team ratings are not terribly indicative of a team's actual ability. Sure it's a barometer, but when I was a hatchling I routinely beat teams with ratings 20+ higher than mine. I was in elite and somehow winning games (not a lot) with a team rating under 70


With a playbook Shotgun 4WR pass all the time?

Once again main question about that game is that two line playbook (with first line being played 90% of time) if so much better that no playbook (one defense all the time) and that is main reason for that big victory.

And once again, ok I will take random took place, stronger team lost to much weaker team, it happens, that is no problem.

But two line offense PB is master over no defense PB, that is something that has to be changed or at least considered for a change.

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posted: 2023-11-29 21:54:43 (ID: 100179214) Report Abuse
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With a playbook Shotgun 4WR pass all the time?



Realistically? No. But realistically no team would take the field without a coach and never make adjustments. If the team rolls out 4 receivers each play and they are faster than the defenders and there's zero pass rush. That QB should pick the defense apart even if the other team is better.

The other side is, this was just one game. Maybe the loser only wins 10% of the time but the QB got an amazing roll. Josh Dobbs went 17/21 in a win against the Cowboys and no one would claim the Cardinals are in the same category. Same Josh Dobbs on a much better team just went 22/32 with 4 interceptions against a bad Bears team.
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posted: 2023-11-29 21:57:44 (ID: 100179215) Report Abuse
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But two line offense PB is master over no defense PB, that is something that has to be changed or at least considered for a change.



I feel this is entirely on the situation.

If I play run defense every play, and you pass every play. You should score frequently. That 1-2 line offensive playbook is all you need.

If I play pass defense every play and all you do is pass, I bet that offense struggles and turns it over way more.

I agree a playbook should be more complex, but if the defense has only one move why would you switch away from the counter of that move?
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posted: 2023-11-29 22:22:57 (ID: 100179219)  Edits found: 1 Report Abuse
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[If the team rolls out 4 receivers each play and they are faster than the defenders and there's zero pass rush. That QB should pick the defense apart even if the other team is better.

The other side is, this was just one game. Maybe the loser only wins 10% of the time but the QB got an amazing roll. Josh Dobbs went 17/21 in a win against the Cowboys and no one would claim the Cardinals are in the same category. Same Josh Dobbs on a much better team just went 22/32 with 4 interceptions against a bad Bears team.


WR with 22 catches has 33 speed.
WR with 15 catches has 37 speed.
Plus he had G, KR, DL, QB catching passes.

CB no 1 has 50 speed
Cb no 2 has 47 speed
CB no 3 has 43 speed

As I know defense adjust to same tactic after same play multiply times. So it must had to adjust to SG 4WR pass.

QB no 1 has 50 pass
QB no 2 has 47 pass
QB no 3 has 19 pass and still managed to make 18 completed passes out of 24

All I want to say, PURELY RANDOM.

And I accept that. 💩 happens.

Just don't tell me PB has something to do with it.
PB with 2 lines.

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posted: 2023-11-29 22:49:47 (ID: 100179221) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:

Just don't tell me PB has something to do with it.
PB with 2 lines.


Your offence not working was the fundamental reason why you lost the game. Their offence simply wasn't successful enough to pull off the win if that hadn't been the case.
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posted: 2023-11-29 23:15:07 (ID: 100179223) Report Abuse
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WR with 22 catches has 33 speed.
WR with 15 catches has 37 speed.
Plus he had G, KR, DL, QB catching passes.



Hahaha, that's pretty bad.
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posted: 2023-11-30 11:27:00 (ID: 100179227) Report Abuse
JohnHW wrote:
Dumbarajko wrote:

Just don't tell me PB has something to do with it.
PB with 2 lines.


Your offence not working was the fundamental reason why you lost the game. Their offence simply wasn't successful enough to pull off the win if that hadn't been the case.


It is not my game 😁

We are just talking about a game and PBs with line or two.

In my earlier post you can see offense of a weaker team and CB defense of stronger team.

I am pretty sure that it is the same on the other end (offense stronger vs defense weaker).

RANDOM. Nothing else. No PBs.
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posted: 2023-11-30 11:27:51 (ID: 100179228) Report Abuse
Rufio13 wrote:
Dumbarajko wrote:


WR with 22 catches has 33 speed.
WR with 15 catches has 37 speed.
Plus he had G, KR, DL, QB catching passes.



Hahaha, that's pretty bad.


😉

Told you, just RANDOM. And that is acceptable.
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posted: 2023-11-30 15:46:29 (ID: 100179232) Report Abuse
@All: please let managers believe what they want to. If one says the sim engine is random, let it be that way. It makes no sense to argue against such opinions.
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