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posted: 2023-12-01 13:02:31 (ID: 100179252) Report Abuse
Bot teams have no such "mindset".
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posted: 2023-12-01 13:42:04 (ID: 100179253) Report Abuse
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A bot team cannot "learn". It is truly a random bunch of guys, being happy to have one play, forget, another play, forget ...


Does if someone set up line up in all positions with no PB count as a bot?



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posted: 2023-12-01 16:35:05 (ID: 100179254) Report Abuse
I think it's a mistake to want to have an explanation for everything in RZA. It's one thing to understand how the engine works and try to grow and improve as a team, and another to want to know exactly the reason for each play.
And the worst thing, getting angry and compulsively searching for the reason why a weak team wins a game against a better team.
And start believing in paranoid conspiracies of ghost Playbooks, of Pete's manipulating games and the like.

I insist, this could be solved if a simulator like Hattrick is implemented, which allows once the official match is over to simulate the same match 5, 10, 20 times and see the total results.

Keep Calm & Enjoy RZA!!

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posted: 2023-12-01 23:25:33 (ID: 100179262) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
pete wrote:
A bot team cannot "learn". It is truly a random bunch of guys, being happy to have one play, forget, another play, forget ...


Does if someone set up line up in all positions with no PB count as a bot?





You cannot compare bot driven teams and human driven teams.

Bot driven teams have no set DC, no positins set, no coaches and stuff, no playbooks, and no matchsettings except some basic punt and fieldgoal stuff.

If you run a human controlled team in the very same way, you could compare it to a bot team.

I do not know if this is understandable, but running a human team in the same style as a bot team, you have to ignore all possible settings in a very hard way.
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posted: 2023-12-01 23:29:15 (ID: 100179263) Report Abuse
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I insist, this could be solved if a simulator like Hattrick is implemented, which allows once the official match is over to simulate the same match 5, 10, 20 times and see the total results.



One can use scrimmages. It is quite easy to set them up in a row, and beside ingame injuries the games should be comparable. And yes, I did that everytime when I changed stuff in the engine ...
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posted: 2023-12-02 12:08:47 (ID: 100179274) Report Abuse
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You cannot compare bot driven teams and human driven teams.

Bot driven teams have no set DC, no positins set, no coaches and stuff, no playbooks, and no matchsettings except some basic punt and fieldgoal stuff.

If you run a human controlled team in the very same way, you could compare it to a bot team.

I do not know if this is understandable, but running a human team in the same style as a bot team, you have to ignore all possible settings in a very hard way.


So if a manager sets his depth chart, sets some kind of playbook (one defense per one offnes, different offenses per type of down or yards to go), has coaches, that team would not be considered as a bot?

And his team will "learn" from play to play to set defense vs pass or vs run depending on how many times opponent use pass or run?
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posted: 2023-12-02 12:17:25 (ID: 100179275) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
So if a manager sets his depth chart, sets some kind of playbook (one defense per one offnes, different offenses per type of down or yards to go), has coaches, that team would not be considered as a bot?


Probably not.


Dumbarajko wrote:
And his team will "learn" from play to play to set defense vs pass or vs run depending on how many times opponent use pass or run?


Probably yes.
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posted: 2023-12-02 13:25:56 (ID: 100179277) Report Abuse
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Dumbarajko wrote:
So if a manager sets his depth chart, sets some kind of playbook (one defense per one offnes, different offenses per type of down or yards to go), has coaches, that team would not be considered as a bot?


Probably not.


Earlier you wrote:

pete wrote:Bot driven teams have no set DC, no positins set, no coaches and stuff, no playbooks, and no matchsettings except some basic punt and fieldgoal stuff.

If you run a human controlled team in the very same way, you could compare it to a bot team.

I do not know if this is understandable, but running a human team in the same style as a bot team, you have to ignore all possible settings in a very hard way.


So now it is all confusing since you in one post say that "you have to ignore ALL possible settings".

I asked if someone does not ignore ALL possible settings and answer is PROBABLY NOT.

This time two of your answers are opposite to each other.

I will rest my case since I will not get an answer that will resolve this mystery.

At least I am pretty sure that my team is not playing like a bot since I have all possible settings.

Or I better say probably not
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posted: 2023-12-02 13:29:15 (ID: 100179278) Report Abuse
Dumbarajko wrote:
I will rest my case since I will not get an answer that will resolve this mystery.


OK, so let me fulfill your desire for not getting an answer
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posted: 2023-12-02 13:44:33 (ID: 100179279) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
Dumbarajko wrote:
I will rest my case since I will not get an answer that will resolve this mystery.


OK, so let me fulfill your desire for not getting an answer


I am just wondering if that what you wrote was written by me how it would be interpreted?
Like good (normal) language or bad one?

But ok, thank you anyway for replying to the part of my post
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