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Nestoro
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posted: 2012-05-14 19:23:47 (ID: 39978) Report Abuse |
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If weight limit speed, why 100 m track and field recordmans are 200lb guys and no 150-180 lb? Is a 110 lb marathoner faster?? Is stronger a 260 lb pivot or a 230 lb LB? height is a benefit in jump, but you know that the best vertical jump of weightlifters have it (shorter normally)? IMO, wrong concept. Yes, is no real the actual system, but a H/W system are unreal too. I dont see HC in the street looking for big guys for his OL...
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-05-14 20:05:32 (ID: 39994) Report Abuse |
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Nestoro wrote:
If weight limit speed, why 100 m track and field recordmans are 200lb guys and no 150-180 lb? It can be controlled by min and max weight. And by formulas. |
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Nestoro
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posted: 2012-05-14 20:24:15 (ID: 40001) Report Abuse |
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No min/max o formulas. Strenght and speed are training result no physical composition result. Of course, there is favorable physical composition for each training but no exclusive. Yes, is unreal if a OL prospect is no enough strong then be a FB. The same if a big guy is a OL just per be heavyweight
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-05-14 20:53:01 (ID: 40017) Report Abuse |
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Nestoro wrote:
No min/max o formulas. Strenght and speed are training result no physical composition result. Of course, there is favorable physical composition for each training but no exclusive. Yes, is unreal if a OL prospect is no enough strong then be a FB. The same if a big guy is a OL just per be heavyweight We a talking about strenght, weight and agility caps. Of course strenght and speed are training result. |
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panoramix
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posted: 2012-05-14 22:52:19 (ID: 40036) Report Abuse |
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Imo we might have, first of all, a balanced ratio between speed and strenght and a sum of those determined by the talent:
Talent 5 -> 75-80 skillpoints Talent 4 -> 70-75 skillpoints Talent 3 -> 65-70 skillpoints Talent 2 -> 60-65 skillpoints Talent 1 -> 55-60 skillpoints The cap of a skill will be set by the rough description of the player: Lightweight -> red cap of speed at 60-90% of the skillpoints Middleweight -> red cap of speed/strenght at 50-60% of the skillpoints Heavyweight -> red cap of strenght at 60-90% of the skillpoints This means: - Lightweight 1 stars talent -> SP cap random between 33 and 50 (ST cap between 5 and 27) - Lightweight 5 stars talent -> SP cap between 48 and 50 (ST cap between 25 and 32) - Middleweight 1 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 27.5 and 36 - Middleweight 5 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 30 and 48 - Heavyweight 1 stars talent -> ST cap random between 33 and 50 (SP cap between 5 and 27) - Heavyweight 5 stars talent -> ST cap between 48 and 50 (SP cap between 25 and 32) Regarding the agility, we can have a cap determined only by the talent: Talent 5 -> 40-50 Talent 4 -> 35-45 Talent 3 -> 30-40 Talent 2 -> 25-35 Talent 1 -> 20-30 Last edited on 2012-05-14 22:53:21 by panoramix |
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Nestoro
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posted: 2012-05-15 02:16:52 (ID: 40060) Report Abuse |
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dark_wing wrote:
Nestoro wrote:
No min/max o formulas. Strenght and speed are training result no physical composition result. Of course, there is favorable physical composition for each training but no exclusive. Yes, is unreal if a OL prospect is no enough strong then be a FB. The same if a big guy is a OL just per be heavyweight We a talking about strenght, weight and agility caps. Of course strenght and speed are training result. The caps (in real life) are more determined by the handles (sorry... i dont know if is the correct word  muscle levers maybe is the correct word... ) and biomechanics than weight or height. And a really fast guy is a strong guy (allways), then a inverse relation speed/strenght is incorrect. It is my daily work for years, i know what i´m talking about...Last edited on 2012-05-15 02:45:10 by Nestoro |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-05-15 05:47:47 (ID: 40068) Report Abuse |
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panoramix wrote:
Imo we might have, first of all, a balanced ratio between speed and strenght and a sum of those determined by the talent: Talent 5 -> 75-80 skillpoints Talent 4 -> 70-75 skillpoints Talent 3 -> 65-70 skillpoints Talent 2 -> 60-65 skillpoints Talent 1 -> 55-60 skillpoints The cap of a skill will be set by the rough description of the player: Lightweight -> red cap of speed at 60-90% of the skillpoints Middleweight -> red cap of speed/strenght at 50-60% of the skillpoints Heavyweight -> red cap of strenght at 60-90% of the skillpoints This means: - Lightweight 1 stars talent -> SP cap random between 33 and 50 (ST cap between 5 and 27) - Lightweight 5 stars talent -> SP cap between 48 and 50 (ST cap between 25 and 32) - Middleweight 1 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 27.5 and 36 - Middleweight 5 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 30 and 48 - Heavyweight 1 stars talent -> ST cap random between 33 and 50 (SP cap between 5 and 27) - Heavyweight 5 stars talent -> ST cap between 48 and 50 (SP cap between 25 and 32) Regarding the agility, we can have a cap determined only by the talent: Talent 5 -> 40-50 Talent 4 -> 35-45 Talent 3 -> 30-40 Talent 2 -> 25-35 Talent 1 -> 20-30 interesting formula... I thought about Sp/St being associated with a cap like skills.. but when i thought deeper on it i dont like the fact that Sp/St can be dependent upon a players talent level. If I'm reading you correctly thats what you are saying? I'm still about the St/Sp caps being random and independant of talent... just in various levels depending on a players physique. |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-05-15 05:48:32 (ID: 40069) Report Abuse |
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panoramix wrote:
Imo we might have, first of all, a balanced ratio between speed and strenght and a sum of those determined by the talent: Talent 5 -> 75-80 skillpoints Talent 4 -> 70-75 skillpoints Talent 3 -> 65-70 skillpoints Talent 2 -> 60-65 skillpoints Talent 1 -> 55-60 skillpoints The cap of a skill will be set by the rough description of the player: Lightweight -> red cap of speed at 60-90% of the skillpoints Middleweight -> red cap of speed/strenght at 50-60% of the skillpoints Heavyweight -> red cap of strenght at 60-90% of the skillpoints This means: - Lightweight 1 stars talent -> SP cap random between 33 and 50 (ST cap between 5 and 27) - Lightweight 5 stars talent -> SP cap between 48 and 50 (ST cap between 25 and 32) - Middleweight 1 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 27.5 and 36 - Middleweight 5 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 30 and 48 - Heavyweight 1 stars talent -> ST cap random between 33 and 50 (SP cap between 5 and 27) - Heavyweight 5 stars talent -> ST cap between 48 and 50 (SP cap between 25 and 32) Regarding the agility, we can have a cap determined only by the talent: Talent 5 -> 40-50 Talent 4 -> 35-45 Talent 3 -> 30-40 Talent 2 -> 25-35 Talent 1 -> 20-30 interesting formula... I thought about Sp/St being associated with a cap like skills.. but when i thought deeper on it i dont like the fact that Sp/St can be dependent upon a players talent level. If I'm reading you correctly thats what you are saying? I'm still about the St/Sp caps being random and independant of talent... just in various levels depending on a players physique. |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-05-15 15:10:42 (ID: 40165) Report Abuse |
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Nestoro wrote:
dark_wing wrote:
Nestoro wrote:
No min/max o formulas. Strenght and speed are training result no physical composition result. Of course, there is favorable physical composition for each training but no exclusive. Yes, is unreal if a OL prospect is no enough strong then be a FB. The same if a big guy is a OL just per be heavyweight We a talking about strenght, weight and agility caps. Of course strenght and speed are training result. The caps (in real life) are more determined by the handles (sorry... i dont know if is the correct word muscle levers maybe is the correct word... ) and biomechanics than weight or height. And a really fast guy is a strong guy (allways), then a inverse relation speed/strenght is incorrect. It is my daily work for years, i know what i´m talking about...Just look into NFL teams rosters. In many sports, sportsmans are diveded by weight. For example, in wresling, boxing. Why? Just think about it. Strenth and muscular force is not the same. |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-05-15 15:12:05 (ID: 40166) Report Abuse |
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panoramix wrote:
Imo we might have, first of all, a balanced ratio between speed and strenght and a sum of those determined by the talent: Talent 5 -> 75-80 skillpoints Talent 4 -> 70-75 skillpoints Talent 3 -> 65-70 skillpoints Talent 2 -> 60-65 skillpoints Talent 1 -> 55-60 skillpoints The cap of a skill will be set by the rough description of the player: Lightweight -> red cap of speed at 60-90% of the skillpoints Middleweight -> red cap of speed/strenght at 50-60% of the skillpoints Heavyweight -> red cap of strenght at 60-90% of the skillpoints This means: - Lightweight 1 stars talent -> SP cap random between 33 and 50 (ST cap between 5 and 27) - Lightweight 5 stars talent -> SP cap between 48 and 50 (ST cap between 25 and 32) - Middleweight 1 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 27.5 and 36 - Middleweight 5 stars talent -> SP/ST cap between 30 and 48 - Heavyweight 1 stars talent -> ST cap random between 33 and 50 (SP cap between 5 and 27) - Heavyweight 5 stars talent -> ST cap between 48 and 50 (SP cap between 25 and 32) Regarding the agility, we can have a cap determined only by the talent: Talent 5 -> 40-50 Talent 4 -> 35-45 Talent 3 -> 30-40 Talent 2 -> 25-35 Talent 1 -> 20-30 Interesting idea. |
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