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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-01-23 04:39:24 (ID: 25290) Report Abuse |
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Near the end of the Managerial Crisis thread a lot of the talk seemed to stem to whether we need new forms of income or a more socialist form of organization.
As most of us are aware in the NFL there is a strict socialist form of economics and the very fundamental basis for this is to accentuate team parody. WITHOUT this form of economy the NFL would be similar to any soccer league common around Europe. Now we know this game is still in development and presently there is ample time for any new manager to conceivably catch up to the more established teams and be competitive but I wonder how much longer that will be the case? A simple changing of sources of income really won't help those new managers as the more established managers will always have those options available. In the NFL all 32 teams basically have the same amount of money to play with so the intelligence and savy in which a team functions is the marker for how teams perform. How do we help newer teams become more established so that the managers level of competency is their primary marker for success? I dont mean to take out the growing pains but our system presently doesnt allow for newer managers to "catch up" to established managers (as exhibited by the euro soccer system). No one likes to hear it but the NFL is the most competitive league in the globe for two reasons. 1. A HARD salary cap (including taxes for teams that go over) 2. We have a free agent market but not a transfer market A player who is dropped by his present team is sent to the waiver wire... where he can be claimed by any number of teams and the team with the weakest record and/or statistic gets to have that player for his present salary. I believe we are all open to degrees of economic change in same way shape be it overhauling the TM to alternative means of income but in the end the more I think of it, it only masks systemic values conducive to the teams that already have the means. How do we go about creating ceilings and floors so that new managers in say season 4 have a real chance of competing by season 6? |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-01-23 04:40:41 (ID: 25291) Report Abuse |
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sorry Admin... I meant to post this in the Suggestions forum. Can you place it there?
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Buffalo
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posted: 2012-01-23 07:00:15 (ID: 25296) Report Abuse |
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A salary cap is not a real solution. We have no some kind of salary cap. At one point your players will earn more money than you can get from the stadium.
You need 3-4 season to get to this point. So a new team need this time to catch up with the old teams. The negative aspect of a salary cap would be, that the teams with much money cant spend it for wages. So they put their millions in Free Agents and the prizes at the Transfermarket will increase drasically and this is what soem managers don't want to see. |
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Tarjan
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posted: 2012-01-23 07:12:24 (ID: 25298) Report Abuse |
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Buffalo wrote:
So they put their millions in Free Agents and the prizes at the Transfermarket will increase drasically and this is what soem managers don't want to see. I don´t think so so, if the wages of the freeagent get linked to the amount you payed for him, like the bargain money and high wages fraagents get in the NFL. |
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Buffalo
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posted: 2012-01-23 07:15:55 (ID: 25301) Report Abuse |
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Tarjan wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
So they put their millions in Free Agents and the prizes at the Transfermarket will increase drasically and this is what soem managers don't want to see. I don´t think so so, if the wages of the freeagent get linked to the amount you payed for him, like the bargain money and high wages fraagents get in the NFL. To difficult. The admin has to do a relation between the wage and payed money. What would be a fair wage? And the managers has to calulate the wage in mind when they bid on a player. This would cause much trouble for some teams. |
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posted: 2012-01-23 07:17:54 (ID: 25302) |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
sorry Admin... I meant to post this in the Suggestions forum. Can you place it there?  |
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Tarjan
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posted: 2012-01-23 07:20:38 (ID: 25304) Report Abuse |
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Sure buffalo it´s complicated but it´s the only solution i see.
I understand the problem but how to solve it in another way. Just say for example the player is 20 mio on the market so he will get 5% of the money on a weekly base, everybody will start thinking about putting to much money on the market then  |
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| posted: 2012-01-23 07:26:56 (ID: 25307) Report Abuse | |
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There are only two things I would like to change, compared to the established mechanism.
1) reverse the player market. There is no selling and buying, only highering. Managers can only prolong contracts or release players. Released players will be "weighted" and then the manager gets a pick in compensation. Free agents can only be highered by offering wages and bonus. Same for prolongations, but for that only the owner is bidding. 2) change the wage system. Each player should "know" how much he is worth compared to other players in the league. So if a TOP-LB gets a new contract he is expecting a wage min. in TOP 5 of all LBs in the league. If managers are bidding, fine. let them fight hat out. if nobody is bidding, expectations are lowered and the min. is lower. Repeat. Beside wages, also some other factors, like coaches, starter situation, team strength and loyality should be weighted. Everything can be compensated with money, but this will cost! The effect would be, that only the existing money can be spend. It's not that the wages will explode, once the skills are higher. The wages are based on the money managers are willing to spend. if a manager runs into financal trouble, cut players. Unfair? No. it's a manager game. |
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Kethian
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posted: 2012-01-23 14:09:06 (ID: 25347) Report Abuse |
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Well I always prefer when rivalry is on the field, not in bank account.
Any idea which will help to keep it that way - has my voice. Well, maybe I would even go to the point, where finances are totally outside the game. You are the coach. You get the players, You can s e l e c t youthpulls, you can s e l e c t draft, but You are not responsible for counting the ticket income, building Your stadium and so. Transfers? Yeah, would be nice, but imagine the way, that at the end of the season, your chairmans give You 2 millions and say "if You want some transfers - here is the money" With such restrictions, the game would be still sport manager, not economical game |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2012-01-23 15:35:59 (ID: 25354) Report Abuse |
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Having played an 'economy-free' sim for a couple of years it does work - build a roster fantasy style with a points limit, then have an end of season draft. No trading, no waivers, a very simplistic training season... it was ok, but it was 1 turn every 2 weeks. That would probably be a bit too monotonous to work well online at a faster pace.
The salary cap system works well in the NFL - the pinnacle of the sport, with top players on massive salaries. How work that work here with our current bunch of wasters, and teams very much in development? At the moment I would leave it as it is - it is easy to make money, easier now than it was when I started, and much much easier than it was when the initial managers started - so there is plenty of opportunity to catch up quickly. Moving to a more 'socialist' system would not work - let us live and die by our own actions rather than nanny us into a narrow way of thinking. |
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