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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-01 18:49:27 (ID: 26700) Report Abuse |
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1. In the I formation:
Can the TE receive? Can the FB rush (I think you said no but can't remember)? Do the WR's block downfield? 2. In the Big I: Do the te's block only? How often might the FB rush? 3. In the Proset: Will either rb have the option to rush and if the one who isn't rushing, will they block like a fb? Does the Te block only? 4. In the wishbone: There are 2 rb and 1 fb. Does the fb rush ever? Does the rb who isn't rushing also block? Do the wr's block at all? 5. In shotgun (either one): If I set a rush to say the outside flank, will the wr's help to block in the engine? Do the te's mostly block? What chance is there they are out to receive a pass? 6. On Defense: Is the first person on the depth chart on the left or right? Say you have 3 olb in the depth chart, is the first one listed on the left or right? Second one? If there are 4 does the 3rd one substitute for the first and the fourth for the second or is it on energy alone for substitution? On that note a possible help would be to be able to have specific positions for the depth chart to make it a little more clear. Probably should be a suggestion thread. Final question, why does the 4-3 seem to suck for all formations? A base defense like that should be useful to a degree. |
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NYDOGS
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posted: 2012-02-01 18:57:11 (ID: 26705) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
1. In the I formation: Can the TE receive? Can the FB rush (I think you said no but can't remember)? Do the WR's block downfield? 2. In the Big I: Do the te's block only? How often might the FB rush? 3. In the Proset: Will either rb have the option to rush and if the one who isn't rushing, will they block like a fb? Does the Te block only? 4. In the wishbone: There are 2 rb and 1 fb. Does the fb rush ever? Does the rb who isn't rushing also block? Do the wr's block at all? 5. In shotgun (either one): If I set a rush to say the outside flank, will the wr's help to block in the engine? Do the te's mostly block? What chance is there they are out to receive a pass? 6. On Defense: Is the first person on the depth chart on the left or right? Say you have 3 olb in the depth chart, is the first one listed on the left or right? Second one? If there are 4 does the 3rd one substitute for the first and the fourth for the second or is it on energy alone for substitution? On that note a possible help would be to be able to have specific positions for the depth chart to make it a little more clear. Probably should be a suggestion thread. Final question, why does the 4-3 seem to suck for all formations? A base defense like that should be useful to a degree. 1 - Yes for TE, no for FB 2 - same as I (TE block in rush, receive in pass, FB block) 3 - TE same for previous, RB only rush 4 - FB rush when it's middle, RB and WR don't block 5 - WR never block, TE can receive pass based on pass length 6 - Watch in manual, formations... Based on energy |
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posted: 2012-02-01 19:00:01 (ID: 26708) |
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NYDOGS wrote:
sfniner08 wrote:
1. In the I formation: Can the TE receive? Can the FB rush (I think you said no but can't remember)? Do the WR's block downfield? 2. In the Big I: Do the te's block only? How often might the FB rush? 3. In the Proset: Will either rb have the option to rush and if the one who isn't rushing, will they block like a fb? Does the Te block only? 4. In the wishbone: There are 2 rb and 1 fb. Does the fb rush ever? Does the rb who isn't rushing also block? Do the wr's block at all? 5. In shotgun (either one): If I set a rush to say the outside flank, will the wr's help to block in the engine? Do the te's mostly block? What chance is there they are out to receive a pass? 6. On Defense: Is the first person on the depth chart on the left or right? Say you have 3 olb in the depth chart, is the first one listed on the left or right? Second one? If there are 4 does the 3rd one substitute for the first and the fourth for the second or is it on energy alone for substitution? On that note a possible help would be to be able to have specific positions for the depth chart to make it a little more clear. Probably should be a suggestion thread. Final question, why does the 4-3 seem to suck for all formations? A base defense like that should be useful to a degree. 1 - Yes for TE, no for FB 2 - same as I (TE block in rush, receive in pass, FB block) 3 - TE same for previous, RB only rush 4 - FB rush when it's middle, RB and WR don't block 5 - WR never block, TE can receive pass based on pass length 6 - Watch in manual, formations... Based on energy For number 6 Check the formation manual there you will see the order of the picks by the engine... |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-01 19:10:07 (ID: 26709) Report Abuse |
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So...
In the wishbone you have 2 players who do nothing, correct? What I mean is, if only one of the 2 backs rushes and the other 2 do not block... Doesn't that kind of kill the use of this formation? Wr's not blocking kills a lot of outside runs. In the NFL that is critical on outside runs. If I were to go formation by formation for pass and rush... Rush with I formation 2wr's do nothing. Pass with I formation and if the fb and rb are there to block then nothing is wasted. Rush with Big I and providing that fb blocks for rb only 1 wr is wasted. Pass with Big I, provided backs block for qb protection, nothing is wasted. Rush with Proset and 2 wrs and 1 rb are wasted. Pass with proset, providing backs protect qb, nothing is wasted. Rush with wishbone and 4 players are wasted (2 backs not rushing and 2 wr's). Pass with wishbone and 3 backs are wasted if they are not blocking for qb. Rush with 2wrsg and 2 wrs are wasted. Pass with 2 wrsg nothing is wasted if fb protects. Rush with 4wr sg and 4 wrs are wasted. Pass with 4wrsg and nothing is wasted if fb protects. Does that sound correct? |
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NYDOGS
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posted: 2012-02-01 19:17:24 (ID: 26712) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
So... In the wishbone you have 2 players who do nothing, correct? What I mean is, if only one of the 2 backs rushes and the other 2 do not block... Doesn't that kind of kill the use of this formation? Wr's not blocking kills a lot of outside runs. In the NFL that is critical on outside runs. If I were to go formation by formation for pass and rush... Rush with I formation 2wr's do nothing. Pass with I formation and if the fb and rb are there to block then nothing is wasted. Rush with Big I and providing that fb blocks for rb only 1 wr is wasted. Pass with Big I, provided backs block for qb protection, nothing is wasted. Rush with Proset and 2 wrs and 1 rb are wasted. Pass with proset, providing backs protect qb, nothing is wasted. Rush with wishbone and 4 players are wasted (2 backs not rushing and 2 wr's). Pass with wishbone and 3 backs are wasted if they are not blocking for qb. Rush with 2wrsg and 2 wrs are wasted. Pass with 2 wrsg nothing is wasted if fb protects. Rush with 4wr sg and 4 wrs are wasted. Pass with 4wrsg and nothing is wasted if fb protects. Does that sound correct? 
But CB are covering WR even in shotgun rush... The game isn't really as you would do in NFL |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-01 19:19:23 (ID: 26713) Report Abuse |
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Yes, but the wrs are still running downfield to block...
In any case, it seems apparent there is more wasted with rushing than passing...begs the question as to why passing doesn't work better. lol |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-01 20:03:40 (ID: 26723) Report Abuse |
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Wait, does the fb block in the I formation? They are supposed to in real life (the point of the formation) but it seemed like here they do not. The fb helps to block on the Big I, or no? FB block at all on Wishbone on a rushing play??
Just to be sure, the rb and fb block on all passing plays, right? I'm asking questions because I'm writing something up to give peter that might be helpful in the manual... Last edited on 2012-02-01 20:09:40 by sfniner08 |
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posted: 2012-02-01 20:13:19 (ID: 26726) Report Abuse |
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fb not in rushing play and rb never block
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KingOfTh3Hil
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posted: 2012-02-01 20:26:31 (ID: 26732) Report Abuse |
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NYDOGS wrote:
fb not in rushing play and rb never block Well, i have seen fb and te block in rush-plays when a dl,lb and/or sf goes for a bliz/break throu example: 14:24 2 and 9 to go on own 20, Edgardo Woodward (OC) snaps the ball to Artem Gryniv (QB), who hands off to Willis Vinson (HB/C), this seems to be a run over the right tackle, Jim Aronsson (DE/L) breaks through, Long Io (TE/R) blocks, Willis Vinson (HB/C) tackled by Helle Oleszczuk (MLB), forward progress: 7 yards (Big I formation vs. 3-4-4) |
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NYDOGS
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posted: 2012-02-01 20:27:43 (ID: 26733) Report Abuse |
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KingOfTh3Hil wrote:
NYDOGS wrote:
fb not in rushing play and rb never block Well, i have seen fb and te block in rush-plays when a dl,lb and/or sf goes for a bliz/break throu example: 14:24 2 and 9 to go on own 20, Edgardo Woodward (OC) snaps the ball to Artem Gryniv (QB), who hands off to Willis Vinson (HB/C), this seems to be a run over the right tackle, Jim Aronsson (DE/L) breaks through, Long Io (TE/R) blocks, Willis Vinson (HB/C) tackled by Helle Oleszczuk (MLB), forward progress: 7 yards (Big I formation vs. 3-4-4) You're right, I forgot about blitz |
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