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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-27 16:15:20 (ID: 30244) Report Abuse |
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Why should there be a restriction on how I or anyone wants to run their team? Seems like more policing.
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-27 16:16:56 (ID: 30246) Report Abuse |
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I haven't personally employed this technique but I see nothing wrong with the buying and selling for a profit. How many times in the NFL is a guy franchise tagged and then traded for a "profit" whether it be picks players or cash?
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bellj
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posted: 2012-02-27 20:59:15 (ID: 30284) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
Why should there be a restriction on how I or anyone wants to run their team? Seems like more policing. I agree.  |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-02-28 04:24:40 (ID: 30327) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
I haven't personally employed this technique but I see nothing wrong with the buying and selling for a profit. How many times in the NFL is a guy franchise tagged and then traded for a "profit" whether it be picks players or cash? Hardly ever in the NFL but thats beside your point. Thing is in all pro sports there are rules and regulations on how a player can be put to market, especially in American sports where all except for baseball operate on a salary cap system. I'm not sure how prevalent this practice is currently in the TM so i was asking if folks had an issue with it or if in the future they could see some conflicts with it. My own opinion is I'm against franchise guys being relegated to journey players. In a game like this in which there is no hard salary cap predatory actions on all sides of the TM are available to corruption. Pro sports operate off contract agreements and there are harsh penalties to team or player if they break that agreement. its why players on expiring contracts are a BIG deal. The thing about this game is if I sign a player to a long term contract (anything over one year) and I decide I dont want that player, there really isnt a harsh penalty for me breaking it. I think a healthy compromise would be if a manager signed a guy to a one year deal then how that manager deals with said player less restrictive.. but signing a player to a longer deal should be met with harsher penalties if you sell him off. |
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scottishbronco
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posted: 2012-02-28 08:01:27 (ID: 30343) Report Abuse |
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This is where the TM style breaksdown. While everything above is correct, the team holding the long term contract of the player sell his contract when the team agree to sell. If the player is FIRED then its a heavy financial hit unless the player agrees a payoff to break the contract.
Off topic but how are salary caps decided in real life pro sports? are they league decided or team income based? |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-28 13:41:11 (ID: 30404) Report Abuse |
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That would be incorrect as teams often franchise the guy or tender him an offer then trade him.
Regardless, I see absolutely no problem with buying a guy then selling him. |
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| posted: 2012-02-28 13:47:21 (ID: 30406) Report Abuse | |
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Me too. Why should there be some trader?
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-02-28 16:02:42 (ID: 30417) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
That would be incorrect as teams often franchise the guy or tender him an offer then trade him. Regardless, I see absolutely no problem with buying a guy then selling him. Ok... that happens in basketball where you have guaranteed contracts and trades are done based on equal value. There is NO profiteering. In football there are zero guaranteed contracts and thats why you see maybe two trades a year. Also if a player is traded then his contract is Static. He can't be traded from team A to team B and then team B give him a new contract which is less than what he got on team A. Today when we enter the TM what the seller team is paying the player has absolutely NOTHING to do with the buying process which is a 180 from what fuels the market in our sports. But thats a whole separate issue. I mean there has to be atleast some level of commitment or else contracts are veritably pointless. The only strong counter I can think of is if the players can on their own enter the TM due to team issues like lack of playing time or loosing record. Then we'd really have a conversation about control of one's team... |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-02-28 16:15:16 (ID: 30418) Report Abuse |
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I guess I don't see what the big deal is if you buy then sell the same player on the tm in a short time, even if it was to profit. I mean, that is a lot of work you would put into it if you indeed were to try and profit. If one were to do so then that is more time they lose managing their team to win.
I would go a step further to say that only newer teams would really use this tactic. Established teams already have millions upon millions and the small amounts they would make wouldn't be worth their time. |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-02-28 16:58:13 (ID: 30422) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
I guess I don't see what the big deal is if you buy then sell the same player on the tm in a short time, even if it was to profit. I mean, that is a lot of work you would put into it if you indeed were to try and profit. If one were to do so then that is more time they lose managing their team to win. I would go a step further to say that only newer teams would really use this tactic. Established teams already have millions upon millions and the small amounts they would make wouldn't be worth their time. and there's a strong possibility you are right on that.. but I wouldnt rule out any possibility in this game for zealous managers trying to earn extra income by means which dont happen in reality. IMO there arent enough factors out there for short selling to fully be warranted other than the "my team my way" arguement. If the game was to include players having their own minds and ambitions... or a scouting system that wasnt so pin point in accurancy in which you couldnt definitively know how good a player was until he was actually on your team then i'd be ok if teams had some sort of out clause. I mean what I see now is we have an NFL system in which contracts arent guaranteed but instead of releasing the players in the off season or releasing them in-season (which is what the waiver-wire is).. in which the team gets nothing of value from the player, we can Euro soccer style sell them on the open market. Its a team owner's Heaven. I'm ok with that... but there has to be something which gives the manager pause to consider. |
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