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Turtlemania
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:14:45 (ID: 30815) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
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How is that part of the ACTUAL system? I don't understand it... How do the things mix up? Every one can put in Either increase of "visible" bid according to increase rules or put in a blind bid up to as he likes to put Only one works So 2 minutes before deadline systems checks IF Highest blind bid > current bid -> set highest blind bid as current bid From then on every one is free to bid and go into bid war if he likes I don't like that 2 minute rule Then there is no need to mix Just introduce pure blind bidding and done - i give it up from my part I take whatever comes - if it ever comes |
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:18:32 (ID: 30820) |
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Turtlemania wrote:
Admin wrote:
Turtlemania wrote:
Admin wrote:
How is that part of the ACTUAL system? I don't understand it... How do the things mix up? Every one can put in Either increase of "visible" bid according to increase rules or put in a blind bid up to as he likes to put Only one works So 2 minutes before deadline systems checks IF Highest blind bid > current bid -> set highest blind bid as current bid From then on every one is free to bid and go into bid war if he likes I don't like that 2 minute rule Then there is no need to mix Just introduce pure blind bidding and done - i give it up from my part I take whatever comes - if it ever comes I see lots of long long posts... 
What would be possible downsides of a clean "blind bid only" system? |
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Turtlemania
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:24:24 (ID: 30825) Report Abuse |
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What would be possible downsides of a clean "blind bid only" system? -> kills bid fun -> no chance for newbies to make a bargain buy -> an advance anti-cheat/fraud system needs to be introduced and check every deal - the problem is: even on "top players" if you ask several "experienced" managers you will get estimation difference going into 2-digit millions, so how shall the system evaluate and make difference? Just to build up one case: I have team - i check for available teams in "interesting" supercup divisions - i ask a friend to create a specific team - 2 super cup games later he has easy 8 Millions to transfer on a "so-so" player - happy hunting and accusing. |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:24:31 (ID: 30826) Report Abuse |
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Virtually all online games favor people who can be on them more than those who cannot. I cannot, in fact, think of one that doesn't. The people who are online then have the chance to try and outbid that blind bid max if needed. The only thing is, the blind bids have to be limited to funds on hand so that someone can't have 50 million in their account and then place multiple max 50 million blind bids. I think the advantage from being online more should be form being able to do more research. I think this game is great because everyone has the same schedule and chances to improve your team. you don't have to be on at kick off; just have your team ready to go. set your draft board before the draft. have your training set before the draft. Why not have this same ideology for acquiring players from the TM? I don't think it hurts the game at all to make a manager really look at a guy and question how much he is worth to his team and future, and then stratigize form there. this seems a lot more true to the "soul of the game" then just I'll log on at the right time and keep pressing the bid more button. Everyone should do this regardless of the bidding process. Most do have limits on what they will spend on player A or B if you allow online players to just keep bidding it defeats the whole purpose. if you really need to have the outlet to just overbid everyone maybe do a one time a season, or every other, each manager gets a max match bid option, then from there all managers that selected that option for the player enters into a bidding war somewhat similar to this one, but guarantees each bidder a chance respond before going into an all out bidding war we see now. There is a difference between something being equitable and equal. There is this insane thinking by some parts of culture who think everything must be exactly equal for everyone. That is seriously flawed thinking. Then there is equitable whereby each person gets what they need. If you need to build a good team through the TM then you are going to have to put time into it. If you need to build through the draft and YA then you put time into that. It does take time. My personal feeling is that if you don't find a way to make it work for you then that is that person's problem. I am a very busy person who doesn't have a lot of gadgets and funds but yet I find a way. If I can't get online for a player I want, well that is just tough nuggets and I will try to get the next one that shows up. More players will come, they always will. First off in regards to the remix to the silent auction by Laudis.. I'm not sure I fully understand it and I read it over 3x. I hate that your in my league and i see why your kicking my ass. But Ken has a valid point. NO WHERE else in this game are things run real time. I cant change my gameplan while the game is playing... We dont participate in Live drafts (which would have no where near the online advantages as our current bidding system).. nothing of critical importance in this game aside from the TM is it necessary to be online at the time. Now we ask the same of the TM and some act as if we are trying to change the tempo or feel of the game. |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:31:51 (ID: 30830) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
Admin wrote:
What would be possible downsides of a clean "blind bid only" system? -> kills bid fun -> no chance for newbies to make a bargain buy -> an advance anti-cheat/fraud system needs to be introduced and check every deal - the problem is: even on "top players" if you ask several "experienced" managers you will get estimation difference going into 2-digit millions, so how shall the system evaluate and make difference? Just to build up one case: I have team - i check for available teams in "interesting" supercup divisions - i ask a friend to create a specific team - 2 super cup games later he has easy 8 Millions to transfer on a "so-so" player - happy hunting and accusing. 1. is a matter of opinion 2. I dont believe that to be the case... no more than it is now atleast. 3. If a manager's gotta go all Falcon and the Snowman to get a player... then they've got issues way outside this game. Not saying what your getting at or something like it cant happen. |
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Turtlemania
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:34:55 (ID: 30831) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
2. I dont believe that to be the case... no more than it is now atleast. People are so focused on the big ones Early this morning my last bid was 151.000 - player changed for 155.000 I could not be online With blind bidding i would have put 2 Mill in min. And this is not a "from time to time case" only |
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:49:23 (ID: 30838) Report Abuse |
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How about if we removed the "it has to be lower than the old bid plus 50%" 150% restriction for the 1st 24 hours that a player is listed.
Then you could open the bidding at $20,000,000 if that's what you think he's worth. It won't be blind bidding, but it will allow managers who don't/can't be online at the auction deadline a chance to get an early bid in, so long as they check for new players every day. It doesn't prevent anyone from making a crazy-high bid if they want to. After 24 hours the 150% cap on raising bids comes back, and we have a normal bidding war at the end. But - as mentioned elsewhere, I really feel this would require a bank-account check before every bid (or bids >$10M maybe?) to ensure funds are available and not already committed to another active bid. The same way the system currently checks to see if I have enough roster spots open to bid on a 3rd player. So if I have a $77M balance, and I have two active bids for $30M each, I'm capped at $17M for any other bidding. This forces managers to make some decisions - you can't just toss $30M on every player you like. Last edited on 2012-03-01 20:09:03 by Lee1950 |
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posted: 2012-03-01 18:59:05 (ID: 30846) Report Abuse |
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I like that in that people know before hand if they even have a chance to win.
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posted: 2012-03-01 20:10:53 (ID: 30878) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
Swordpriest1 wrote:
2. I dont believe that to be the case... no more than it is now atleast. People are so focused on the big ones Early this morning my last bid was 151.000 - player changed for 155.000 I could not be online With blind bidding i would have put 2 Mill in min. And this is not a "from time to time case" only But thats part of the nuance of it thought Turtle... it really takes more thought imput because you really have to gauge how much that particular player is worth to you. And when it comes to the market working itself out... I think with the blind bids you'll definitely see a shift in investment tact that better mirror a manager's own theory. |
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Laudis
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posted: 2012-03-01 21:06:35 (ID: 30892) Report Abuse |
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Hmm.
Normal bids It gives advantage to online people, not newbies. It decreases prices of players as limits competions No fun? For me is fun to buy player I like with cost I decide in advance Blind bids Saves time Still giving small advantage for people being online Increase players value I like the idea having two bids system, which will definitely determine prefered system. This game, as it is designed (I feel), is about doing thing in clever and effective way. Therefore I feel BB will fit in and investing my time to convince others about this is good thing to do. I dont like to invest my time into bid wars with no expected result. I see not gaining good players will limit my ability to win. To describe logic correctly I will draw the cases which could happen and put it somewhere on net or send me email address where I should send it. Last edited on 2012-03-01 21:09:56 by Laudis |
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