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Nogard
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posted: 2012-03-22 11:38:34 (ID: 33394) Report Abuse |
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jack6 wrote:
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I know this question is stupid, but when a team sining a draft player, count this contract to then teams salary cap or Not? Of course it does. And it does according the rules of the CBA, so signing bonus is slit over contract length, roster bonus counts for that specific year, yearly wage counts for the specific year and so on. I would love to get a signing bonus on my job .... sure? So the teams who are allready over the cap lika arizona, dallas, detroit can´t draft anyone because they are allready over the cap? I can´t believe that. |
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Nogard wrote:
jack6 wrote:
Newgate wrote:
I know this question is stupid, but when a team sining a draft player, count this contract to then teams salary cap or Not? Of course it does. And it does according the rules of the CBA, so signing bonus is slit over contract length, roster bonus counts for that specific year, yearly wage counts for the specific year and so on. I would love to get a signing bonus on my job .... sure? So the teams who are allready over the cap lika arizona, dallas, detroit can´t draft anyone because they are allready over the cap? I can´t believe that. Well, of course I don't know the details, but I think there is a date, to which the team has to be under the cap. That's somewhere before regular season starts I think. To get under the cap then, they have to cut, trade or retire players. There are always star players cut before specific dates, like draft, trainings camp and regular season start because of this. They also can try to restructure existing contract. This happens often with balloon contracts in the fifth, sixth or even seventh year, where normally the highest regular season wages have to be paid. What they do is, offering a new contract of let's say instead of the 3 remaining years a new one for 5 years, give the player a way higher signing bonus and do minimum wages for 1-3 years and then the next balloon wage growth starts. So instead of let's say 5 mio against the current cap (excluded the old signing bonus, they can't get rid of that, without a trade) the new contract is worth 10 mio signing and goes 500.000, 600.000, 700.000, 2 mio and 5 mio so only counts 2,5 mio on the currect season. AND: as far as I knowm soe veterans can sign for minimum and the money only counts half against the cap. Last edited on 2012-03-22 13:33:39 by jack6 |
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Newgate
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posted: 2012-03-23 19:47:50 (ID: 33546) Report Abuse |
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What do you think? Do the colts change their mind about the draft and pick RG3 instead of Luck? this where a suprise. My question is, fit rg3 with colts?
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Nogard
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posted: 2012-03-23 19:58:54 (ID: 33547) Report Abuse |
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I think after the pro day in stanford and Lucks performance, I think the colts will still pick Luck. RG3 had thrown in a trainings hall it´s like the coltshome stadium but luck show that the wether wouldn´t affect his play and his 70 yrd pass i saw on nfl.com was impressive.
both of them had a good performance. So the Redskins get a good QB too. |
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Don't want to be unfair, but I think if there is a black athletic guy and a white pocket passer, both considered almost the same value, the white gets the nod.
Sorry, but the NFL is not that open yet. Not saying they are racists, but I think a black player still has to outplay the white one to get the same value, at least at QB. |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-03-27 18:28:28 (ID: 33832) Report Abuse |
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jack6 wrote:
Don't want to be unfair, but I think if there is a black athletic guy and a white pocket passer, both considered almost the same value, the white gets the nod. Sorry, but the NFL is not that open yet. Not saying they are racists, but I think a black player still has to outplay the white one to get the same value, at least at QB. It would be difficult to take that approach in today's NFL as with parity you have to win now now now now now. I mean, it could cost you your job to take a guy using skin color as a factor because you might not be taking the best available player. |
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| posted: 2012-03-27 20:31:40 (ID: 33846) Report Abuse | |
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sfniner08 wrote:
jack6 wrote:
Don't want to be unfair, but I think if there is a black athletic guy and a white pocket passer, both considered almost the same value, the white gets the nod. Sorry, but the NFL is not that open yet. Not saying they are racists, but I think a black player still has to outplay the white one to get the same value, at least at QB. It would be difficult to take that approach in today's NFL as with parity you have to win now now now now now. I mean, it could cost you your job to take a guy using skin color as a factor because you might not be taking the best available player. I'm not saying someone is taking the white guy on purpose, I just mean that a black Andrew Luck would probably has to be better that the white one to get the same ratings. Honestly, I think RG3 is a way better QB overall than Luck, since he also has this mobility Luck doesn't have. But I'm sure Luck is taken first and one reason for that is that RG3 get a downgrade been "only the black athletic QB", instead of being a good Pocket QB. Difficult to explain. |
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Nogard
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posted: 2012-03-27 20:47:18 (ID: 33847) Report Abuse |
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I think this isn´t the reason for Luck. The more important thing is with Andrew Luck you know what you got. He played good for some seasons. everybody knows he is ready for the professional AF play-system.
RG3 had one impressive season with being the heisman throphy winner, but there is no sure consistant. Maybe he could be do something special and has maybe also little bit more talent than Luck but there are also risks. So the choice is the "boring" pro-system available Luck or the more talented RG3 with risks (maybe this was a overrating season of RG3) I think the redskins could afford rather a risky RG3 than the colts. And don´t forget the best QB is nothing without his targets or his blockers on the field and RG3 had one of the best receivers last year. |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-03-27 21:55:46 (ID: 33856) Report Abuse |
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Luck is better prepared to play in an NFL system right now than RG3. He has also shown consistency over a much longer period of time than RG3. There are no sure things in a draft anyway.
Very few qbs are drafted by a team and then win a super bowl with that team. |
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posted: 2012-03-27 23:26:38 (ID: 33861) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
Luck is better prepared to play in an NFL system right now than RG3. He has also shown consistency over a much longer period of time than RG3. There are no sure things in a draft anyway. Very few qbs are drafted by a team and then win a super bowl with that team.  |
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