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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-04-23 20:56:36 (ID: 36994) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
I never heard a QB having a "guide" 
May be radar or laser guided footballs?  |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-04-23 21:10:44 (ID: 36996) Report Abuse |
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In adition.
Kiker and Punter a not nedd speed, agility, footwork e.t.c. |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-04-23 23:26:00 (ID: 37021) Report Abuse |
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First I want to thank
 Source: http://sharetv.org/images/darkwing_duck-show.jpg for bringing this to my divided attention. I'm not sure why I never thought about how salaries were actually calculated but if there is a point where kickers/punters are the highest paid on the squad... I'd sooner loose them all together than pay up. This is another one of those issues where you guys can push it to the backburner or pretend there isnt an issue in the first place but this isnt right and you know it. Now i'm well aware of the problems that would come with included a position specific salary scale (the most obvious being at any point you can change said position) and any ways to include this measure will involve even more tinkering of the system.. its a tough spot. But is leaving things as they are really the best solution? I as of right now dont have any strong ideas on how to come to terms with this but I dont want this to follow the track of our TM discussions. My kicker and QB shouldnt be at the same dinner table. |
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| posted: 2012-04-24 06:04:11 (ID: 37036) Report Abuse | |
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dark_wing wrote:
jack6 wrote:
Ok, here some more stuff regarding this suggested system. Basically it does not solve the Kicker-are-overpaid-problem because you pay for training time, nothing else. So this system is also independent of positions. Kiker and punter are have just 1 basic skill and may be just 1 secondary skill. But other players need more skils. I wich NFL team kiker or punter have at least 20% of starter QB salarie?
When you sum up the skill points and do the wage calculation based on that sum, you pay for training progress and that means it still can happen that you Kicker is worth a fortune while you QB or TE is still cheap. It doesn't matter which position the player playes. if a kicker and a TE start with the same sum at the same team with same TW, after a season they cost still the same. dark_wing wrote:
jack6 wrote:
Second thing: this would totally change the value of Talent. Now Talent is a limit, most of the players might never reach. No it is indepandent things. It is not, since maxing out a player on the main skill will be much more achivable than before, so Talent does matter more. dark_wing wrote:
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With this suggested system by sum of skills, the logic path is to max out the main skill (means passing for QB, catching for WR and so on) and then go for secondary skills. The higher the main skill, the better the player, of course. For example DL players need lot of tackling, and some tactical skills. But DB players need tackling and tacktical skills on the same level. Well, I'm sure for each position there are 1-2 skills, which when maxed out give you the best boom for your buck. At the moment the manager has to decide, if he wants to spend a fortune on such development, with your suggested system it is not only achivable, it is a must from my point of view. Maybe taking 1 skill is not enough, but 2 for sure will do the trick. dark_wing wrote:
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And a qb will never have 0 in vision, and if I have a qb with 30 passing and 30 vision and another on with 50 passing and 10 vision ... well, I think the 50 QB will be better. But that is my oppinion. Bullsheet!  Might be, as said above that this is not true. But with two skills it pretty much is the case. |
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Buffalo
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posted: 2012-04-24 06:17:24 (ID: 37039) Report Abuse |
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Think about having a 30 year old 50 skill QB and you must give him in the next season a new contract. If a Kicker would be cheaper you can switch him to kicker, give him a new contract and switch him back. You would save millions during the season and the Moral and TC will recover in a few weeks.
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Buffalo wrote:
Think about having a 30 year old 50 skill QB and you must give him in the next season a new contract. If a Kicker would be cheaper you can switch him to kicker, give him a new contract and switch him back. You would save millions during the season and the Moral and TC will recover in a few weeks. The suggested system does only take the non physical skills into account. So switching position does not help, as far as I understud the purposal. I did not understand it that way, that only the needed skills of a position do count, (this could be expoited as you decribed it), but ALL non-physicals, so as a new kicker the 50 passing skill does also count. Let's say the QB had a sum of 150 in total, he still has that as a Kicker. |
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Buffalo
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posted: 2012-04-24 07:48:13 (ID: 37047) Report Abuse |
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jack6 wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Think about having a 30 year old 50 skill QB and you must give him in the next season a new contract. If a Kicker would be cheaper you can switch him to kicker, give him a new contract and switch him back. You would save millions during the season and the Moral and TC will recover in a few weeks. The suggested system does only take the non physical skills into account. So switching position does not help, as far as I understud the purposal. I did not understand it that way, that only the needed skills of a position do count, (this could be expoited as you decribed it), but ALL non-physicals, so as a new kicker the 50 passing skill does also count. Let's say the QB had a sum of 150 in total, he still has that as a Kicker. I thought more about a position specific salary. Including all important skills would reduce the managment possibilities. Also a Kicker with 50 kicking and 50 Vision would cost nealy the same like a 50 passing and 50 Vision QB. So no solution for the original problem. |
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| posted: 2012-04-24 08:24:21 (ID: 37052) Report Abuse | |
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True, that what I was trying to tell dark wing.
A position related salary would have as a consequence, to minimize exploits, switching position should become harder as longer the player plays. Even impossible, once certain stage like experience or age is reached. So, let's contact the NFl and tell them to raise the wages of their kickers and punters. Those are underpaid.  |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-04-24 12:45:28 (ID: 37068) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
First I want to thank Source: http://sharetv.org/images/darkwing_duck-show.jpg for bringing this to my divided attention. I'm not sure why I never thought about how salaries were actually calculated but if there is a point where kickers/punters are the highest paid on the squad... I'd sooner loose them all together than pay up. This is another one of those issues where you guys can push it to the backburner or pretend there isnt an issue in the first place but this isnt right and you know it. Now i'm well aware of the problems that would come with included a position specific salary scale (the most obvious being at any point you can change said position) and any ways to include this measure will involve even more tinkering of the system.. its a tough spot. But is leaving things as they are really the best solution? I as of right now dont have any strong ideas on how to come to terms with this but I dont want this to follow the track of our TM discussions. My kicker and QB shouldnt be at the same dinner table. You have thanks to Tim Wisseman and Dark Wing Class Battleship. Not for Walt Disney. |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-04-24 12:51:26 (ID: 37070) Report Abuse |
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I am sure if a Kicker with 40 kicking and 10 Vision would cost nealy the same like a 25 passing and 25 Vision QB it is more realistic if the Kicker will cost much more.
Very interesting are punter need vision? So I have punter with punting ~40 and 21 vision, who makes punts from 35-40 yards into touchback. If he will ~40 in punting and vision, he will make from punts 35-40 yard on end-line with 0 yards return? I have P and FB from the 1-st draft. After 2 seasons the FB Est. Wage ~19000, but P Est.Wage 90+! Very realistic!
We can create Wages system, based on the sum of all skills (not no-physical only). |
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