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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2012-05-05 00:59:17 (ID: 38505) Report Abuse |
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To make things A little easier on the matter have a trading block that allow any one to trade with anyone.
But to help prevent cheating The players involve must be around the same value. For the trade to be legal using a equations base on Overall rating,talent, and age Overall + talent - age= giving you a value to base the trades fairness. now this is example if the final number would allow 3 point lead way to be accepted. overall talent age 1=10 1=1 16= 0 2=20 2=4 19= -5 3=30 3=6 22= -10 4=40 4=8 25= -20 5=50 5=10 28= -30 so player a lets say is A is 3 overall and has a talent of 4 and is 26 30+8-20=18 B is 2.5 overall has 4 talent but is 22 years old 25+8-10= 23 So this would be a invalid trade But this values youth. Using something like this would allow mangers to trade player of close to simlar value. But I would set it up for only one for one trades. That way to prevent people from cheating the system of trading 10 player for 1 |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2012-05-05 08:31:43 (ID: 38512) Report Abuse |
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A decent idea in theory, but how do you truly define the useful skills?
Take talent for example - it is a total non-consideration when I look for players. And the overall * ratings are not trustworthy... easy to get a 3* CB, but have you any idea what an array of skills a 3* TE needs? Plus PC affects *. Last edited on 2012-05-05 08:32:53 by JonnyP |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2012-05-05 14:18:47 (ID: 38540) Report Abuse |
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True but we would need to come up with a formally that would be used to find a trade value. But using that type of system would only allowed that are close in overall at lest to be traded.
If you real want a complex one you could use something like this instead INT+ streaght+ Speed+ top three non pyscal skills then - value of age 1-50 1-50 1-50 1-50 16=0 28=-120 value for age is (age -16) x10 Now this would need a bigger acceptable trade range. May be as much as 10 to 20 point lead way let compare three players with this one 22A 50int+39str+41spe+25+19+17 -60 do to age= 131 24B 50int+42str+43spe+27+24+24 -80 do to age= 130 26C46int+48Str+32spe+28+22+18 -100 do to age= 94 So in this senrio A And B would work but C would not Last edited on 2012-05-05 14:21:05 by andrew2scott2 |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2012-05-05 14:24:34 (ID: 38544) Report Abuse |
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Then plus who say you have to accpet the trade of a 3 star cb for a 3 star Tight in.
The mangers would still have the final say so wather to accpet the trade or not. This is just to help prevent cheating and add fairness of one on one trades only. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-05-05 16:14:37 (ID: 38550) Report Abuse |
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Sorry to appear really negative on this one, but "Player Trading" in any way shape or form will NEVER work imho, here's why I think this way :-
I've played Fantasy American Football quite a lot .... apart from the Draft and the "waiver wire", player trading is the only way to get players. There is so much cheating going on it's unbelievable. There are 2 ways in Fantasy Football of "policing" the swaps/player trades...and I think that neither of them work very well (a) in the "public" leagues, the system is basically that a majority vote is required from other members of the league to overturn a suspicious trade (or a trade that is deemed to be "one-sided"). In all the leagues that I've played in, I've hardly ever seen a trade overturned by majority vote ...you just never get enough managers who care enough to do anything about it. (b) in some of the more 'advanced' leagues (Keeper leagues/Dynasty Leagues), the system is policed by "Commissioner Review" ...this means the guy who founded/owns the league has a set period of time (1/2/3 days) to overturn a trade if he sees fit. The big big problem here is that it is so subjective ... I've seen trades overturned that look fine....I've seen trades that, to me, are very one-sided and the trade has been approved. I think there are two basic problems with "player trading" (1) It is a system/concept that is wide open to Cheating (2) The ways put in place to prevent cheating usually involve very 'subjective' decisions on how much a player is 'worth' and what is a "fair trade" and what is an "unfair trade". |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-05-08 04:54:31 (ID: 38798) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
Sorry to appear really negative on this one, but "Player Trading" in any way shape or form will NEVER work imho, here's why I think this way :- I've played Fantasy American Football quite a lot .... apart from the Draft and the "waiver wire", player trading is the only way to get players. There is so much cheating going on it's unbelievable. There are 2 ways in Fantasy Football of "policing" the swaps/player trades...and I think that neither of them work very well (a) in the "public" leagues, the system is basically that a majority vote is required from other members of the league to overturn a suspicious trade (or a trade that is deemed to be "one-sided"). In all the leagues that I've played in, I've hardly ever seen a trade overturned by majority vote ...you just never get enough managers who care enough to do anything about it. (b) in some of the more 'advanced' leagues (Keeper leagues/Dynasty Leagues), the system is policed by "Commissioner Review" ...this means the guy who founded/owns the league has a set period of time (1/2/3 days) to overturn a trade if he sees fit. The big big problem here is that it is so subjective ... I've seen trades overturned that look fine....I've seen trades that, to me, are very one-sided and the trade has been approved. I think there are two basic problems with "player trading" (1) It is a system/concept that is wide open to Cheating (2) The ways put in place to prevent cheating usually involve very 'subjective' decisions on how much a player is 'worth' and what is a "fair trade" and what is an "unfair trade". SH if your talking about Fantasy Football and not a Football Simulator then those methods of policing trades have nothing to do with how trades would be calculated on this game. They are not even the same game... Fantasy Football is the reason why I looked and found this... I hate it and the only reason I play in a league is because my peeps are in it... |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-05-08 07:59:12 (ID: 38813) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
SH if your talking about Fantasy Football and not a Football Simulator then those methods of policing trades have nothing to do with how trades would be calculated on this game. They are not even the same game... Fantasy Football is the reason why I looked and found this... I hate it and the only reason I play in a league is because my peeps are in it... So you obviously didn't read my post, which is fine .... but it's then a bit dumb to comment about my post if you didn't actually read it, and judging by your reply .. I doubt if you did.. If you had read it you'd see this comment (see below) which is quite clearly relevant to Fantasy Football, a Football Sim or any kind of game that has player trading or is thinking of including player trading. If you want to debate the pros/cons of player trading then do so, but to simply say "Fantasy Football is not relevant to RZA" kind of misses the point ...especially for aspects of the game where Fantasy Football and RZA clearly do share similarities. "I think there are two basic problems with "player trading" (1) It is a system/concept that is wide open to Cheating (2) The ways put in place to prevent cheating usually involve very 'subjective' decisions on how much a player is 'worth' and what is a "fair trade" and what is an "unfair trade"." Last edited on 2012-05-08 09:26:13 by sh8888 |
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sh8888 wrote:"I think there are two basic problems with "player trading"
(1) It is a system/concept that is wide open to Cheating (2) The ways put in place to prevent cheating usually involve very 'subjective' decisions on how much a player is 'worth' and what is a "fair trade" and what is an "unfair trade"." Very true. 
Funny thing is, it even can happen that all involved parties are OK with a deal, even if it is a large difference in the players value, because the strategie of roster building is different. I'm afraid a cool trading system is not possible. |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2012-05-08 10:37:30 (ID: 38826) Report Abuse |
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People are so worried about cheating. So something simple and amutomated would have to be in place to help keep that from happening.
I'm worried down the road that I or some esle will get a draftee that be in the back spot because that postions is filled. And selling him or trainging him could not work out in the end. But haveing the ablility to tradeing. Is something that should be. Ablilty to trade would help most people. As many people get a drafty that they do not need or may not even want. But instead of them gambling on the TM they could then trade them for other player that they fell is worth it. But with in reason. With the check and blance system of which ever stats we deside to use in. There should be a forgivness zone which would allow some flexableilty on what player could be traded for other players. But at the same time would not all trades that are not unfair. Last but not lest while I want trades to be add only one for one trades should be allowed that would limilt cheating down to minumal |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-05-08 13:41:21 (ID: 38858) Report Abuse |
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The fact there are so many complications says it all. It comes down to one thing and one thing only, trust.
Either A: You trust people and let trading happen or B: You don't trust people and don't let it happen. Sadly in today's world, especially with anonominity online, it is difficult to trust everyone. No matter the steps you put in place, if someone wants to cheat they will find the way to do so. The final thing is, that trading involves subjectivity no matter what mechanisms you put in place. So if cheating isn't the issue then the ridiculous "fairness" is questioned. We have a very good community here and I would hate to see it spoiled because of silly arguments about trades. |
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