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posted: 2012-06-07 17:09:25 (ID: 43903) Report Abuse
What's a FPA?

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canonico
posted: 2012-06-07 17:10:12 (ID: 43904) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
What's a FPA?



Fair Play Association.
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sh8888
posted: 2012-06-07 17:10:29 (ID: 43905) Report Abuse
canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:


The maximum listing price is $16k.
So , if there are only 2 managers involved, how does Manager A transfer much more than $16k to Manager B ?

I don't call $16k "sizeable" , it's peanuts even for a newbie.


That stops nothing if you have a multis. Imagine i have two multi accounts besides my legit. (And by two i could say 10.)

I could be all day sending raises from one account then from the other
, untill i depleat one account from a team.

And this was one of the points to shut down trades to begin with. Multi Accounts taking advantage of trades, when they can much easyer take advantage of the TM.


There is an anti-cheating framework in place, therefore you would probably be caught very quickly.
Give it a try and see what happens .........
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sh8888
posted: 2012-06-07 17:12:20 (ID: 43906) Report Abuse
canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
What's a FPA?



Fair Play Association.


Manual intervention ?
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canonico
posted: 2012-06-07 17:15:10 (ID: 43907) Report Abuse
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:


The maximum listing price is $16k.
So , if there are only 2 managers involved, how does Manager A transfer much more than $16k to Manager B ?

I don't call $16k "sizeable" , it's peanuts even for a newbie.


That stops nothing if you have a multis. Imagine i have two multi accounts besides my legit. (And by two i could say 10.)

I could be all day sending raises from one account then from the other
, untill i depleat one account from a team.

And this was one of the points to shut down trades to begin with. Multi Accounts taking advantage of trades, when they can much easyer take advantage of the TM.


There is an anti-cheating framework in place, therefore you would probably be caught very quickly.
Give it a try and see what happens .........


I certanly hope so.

But then why was this argument used in shutting down trades? Its almost like everyone is affraid of trades. Dont get it.
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canonico
posted: 2012-06-07 17:19:53 (ID: 43908) Report Abuse
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
What's a FPA?



Fair Play Association.


Manual intervention ?


canonico wrote:


Forget the Player + money for Player then, and just go with Player for Player. And also 2 Players for 1 player, both ways. Create a limit on how many players can a manager trade for a single player.

Make a trade limit on how many trades can be done per season.

Create a FPA (Fair Play Association) to inspect any trade that might be proposed, and give the ok sign to allow both teams and managers to finalize the trade, these members would get voted in by the user base, with the ok from the Admins.




Yes, elected by users (Vote), or by Admins. They would not be known by the users only by admins.
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sh8888
posted: 2012-06-07 17:22:06 (ID: 43909) Report Abuse
canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:


The maximum listing price is $16k.
So , if there are only 2 managers involved, how does Manager A transfer much more than $16k to Manager B ?

I don't call $16k "sizeable" , it's peanuts even for a newbie.


That stops nothing if you have a multis. Imagine i have two multi accounts besides my legit. (And by two i could say 10.)

I could be all day sending raises from one account then from the other
, untill i depleat one account from a team.

And this was one of the points to shut down trades to begin with. Multi Accounts taking advantage of trades, when they can much easyer take advantage of the TM.


There is an anti-cheating framework in place, therefore you would probably be caught very quickly.
Give it a try and see what happens .........


I certanly hope so.

But then why was this argument used in shutting down trades? Its almost like everyone is affraid of trades. Dont get it.


Correct, you don't get it.
There are some fundamental problems to overcome with "trading" for it to ever happen , for example ..... cheating (how to prevent it) , valuation (what is a fair/unfair trade) , automation (if each trade has to be approved/denied by a human the system is unlikely to be approved).
If you ever come up with feasible solutions for those problems, "trading" might stand a chance.
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canonico
posted: 2012-06-07 17:35:46 (ID: 43910) Report Abuse
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:


The maximum listing price is $16k.
So , if there are only 2 managers involved, how does Manager A transfer much more than $16k to Manager B ?

I don't call $16k "sizeable" , it's peanuts even for a newbie.


That stops nothing if you have a multis. Imagine i have two multi accounts besides my legit. (And by two i could say 10.)

I could be all day sending raises from one account then from the other
, untill i depleat one account from a team.

And this was one of the points to shut down trades to begin with. Multi Accounts taking advantage of trades, when they can much easyer take advantage of the TM.


There is an anti-cheating framework in place, therefore you would probably be caught very quickly.
Give it a try and see what happens .........


I certanly hope so.

But then why was this argument used in shutting down trades? Its almost like everyone is affraid of trades. Dont get it.


Correct, you don't get it.
There are some fundamental problems to overcome with "trading" for it to ever happen , for example ..... cheating (how to prevent it) , valuation (what is a fair/unfair trade) , automation (if each trade has to be approved/denied by a human the system is unlikely to be approved).
If you ever come up with feasible solutions for those problems, "trading" might stand a chance.


Like i said, and explained, if someone wants to cheat in the TM, they can easely accomplish that. And to much bigger gains.

The fact that you say, "automation (if each trade has to be approved/denied by a human the system is unlikely to be approved)." doesnt make it true.

At least ive not seen any post of any Admin saying that. (Might Be wrong)

Trades are not meant to be fair or unfair, trading player for player is as simple as it gets, and limiting trades to a very low amount per season like, eg: you have three trading slots for an entire season. Then Limit players involved in trades to three per trade**, even if you are cheating, i dont see that much possibilities of it happeneing.

** Player A for Player B & C
or
**Player A & B For Player C



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sh8888
posted: 2012-06-07 17:42:53 (ID: 43911) Report Abuse
canonico wrote:
"Trades are not meant to be fair or unfair"


so why do you need a FPA (Fair Play Association) then ?
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canonico
posted: 2012-06-07 17:53:04 (ID: 43912) Report Abuse
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
"Trades are not meant to be fair or unfair"


so why do you need a FPA (Fair Play Association) then ?


I dont.

I suggested it based on other opinion such as yours. That seems to think that having Trades will bring cheating to RZA when that possibility already exists within the TM.

I play baseball simulators simmilar to this, and trades are NOT a issue, it hasent even got mentioned of people taking the cheating aproach, because the gains are not that substancial. Same here if you limit Trades to a very small amount like the three per season i exemplified, cheating will almost be obsolete because the gains would not cover the fact that people could see right threw that trade. And also trades are not supposed to correct an entire rsoter of bad players, they are supopose to add a couple of pieces, so the three in the exemple wouldnt be that bad.

I would also suggest creating a forum "Trading Block", managers/owners can advertise the player they want to trade, and ask the type of player they want in return.

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