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posted: 2012-06-07 18:02:17 (ID: 43913) Report Abuse |
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canonico wrote:
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"Trades are not meant to be fair or unfair" so why do you need a FPA (Fair Play Association) then ? I dont. I suggested it based on other opinion such as yours. That seems to think that having Trades will bring cheating to RZA when that possibility already exists within the TM. I play baseball simulators simmilar to this, and trades are NOT a issue, it hasent even got mentioned of people taking the cheating aproach, because the gains are not that substancial. Same here if you limit Trades to a very small amount like the three per season i exemplified, cheating will almost be obsolete because the gains would not cover the fact that people could see right threw that trade. And also trades are not supposed to correct an entire rsoter of bad players, they are supopose to add a couple of pieces, so the three in the exemple wouldnt be that bad. I would also suggest creating a forum "Trading Block", managers/owners can advertise the player they want to trade, and ask the type of player they want in return. This is my last post on the subject as your argument is one-dimensional and seems to consist of "trading should happen because I like Trading". However, if you read your own post above you seem to be saying that cheating might possibly occur but that's OK as there will only be a maximum of 3 cheat trades per person per season. How bizarre is that. Glad that you mentioned baseball simulators , I've played alot of Fantasy Football and cheating based upon the Trading Block is very widespread, even though there are supposedly some restrictions on trading to prevent cheating. If it happens in FF, it could happen with an RZA trading block. |
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| posted: 2012-06-07 18:16:19 (ID: 43915) Report Abuse | |
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canonico wrote:
I play baseball simulators simmilar to this, and trades are NOT a issue, it hasent even got mentioned of people taking the cheating aproach, because the gains are not that substancial. Same here if you limit Trades to a very small amount like the three per season i exemplified, cheating will almost be obsolete because the gains would not cover the fact that people could see right threw that trade. Just to throw in some number: cheating already happened, and happens further. We found within a period of 9 months around 40 attempts, which makes around 1 per week. Most of them happened before we introduced the 16k limit on the initial bid. Most where attempted by having a second account on a similar IP. Therefore, to keep it fair for all, we have to think about cheating. There was a suggestion for a trading block already, and this feature was implemented in a way the other managers of both leagues where the player comes from and goes to have veto rights, and more than X vetos kill the trade. We still found issues with it. And therefore delayed it |
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canonico
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posted: 2012-06-07 18:22:10 (ID: 43916) Report Abuse |
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1.This is my last post on the subject as your argument is one-dimensional and seems to consist of "trading should happen because I like Trading". No not really, ive never did a trade in my life in any other game. And what you seem to be telling your self by saying "your argument is one-dimensional and seems to consist of "trading should happen because I like Trading". I could very well be telling you the same thing. Only it would finish with, "Because i dont like trading". Basicaly all your posts had negative stuff, not one constructive opinion or suggestion in this thread by you, so i think the one that is one dimensional is you. Sorry. sh8888 wrote:However, if you read your own post above you seem to be saying that cheating might possibly occur but that's OK as there will only be a maximum of 3 cheat trades per person per season. How bizarre is that.
Then you need to go and read again, because i didnt wrote it would be cheating, those are your words, not mine. I said "cheating would almost be obsolete" Now to get ride of the almost, try to bring some positive suggestions. sh8888 wrote:Glad that you mentioned baseball simulators , I've played alot of Fantasy Football and cheating based upon the Trading Block is very widespread, even though there are supposedly some restrictions on trading to prevent cheating. If it happens in FF, it could happen with an RZA trading block.
Lol, again getting tired of repeating myself here, there is already a chance of cheating in the TM (easier then trading) yet you dont seem to see it oo simply prefer to not adress that. |
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canonico
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posted: 2012-06-07 18:25:37 (ID: 43917) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Just to throw in some number: cheating already happened, and happens further. We found within a period of 9 months around 40 attempts, which makes around 1 per week. Most of them happened before we introduced the 16k limit on the initial bid. Most where attempted by having a second account on a similar IP. Therefore, to keep it fair for all, we have to think about cheating. There was a suggestion for a trading block already, and this feature was implemented in a way the other managers of both leagues where the player comes from and goes to have veto rights, and more than X vetos kill the trade. We still found issues with it. And therefore delayed it Thanks for the info, if i think of anything better (In my head at least) ill post it here, meawhile thats what ive got, but you should take a look at this thread, there are some diferent ideas there as well. |
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posted: 2012-06-07 18:50:08 (ID: 43918) Report Abuse |
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canonico wrote:
there is already a chance of cheating in the TM (easier then trading) yet you dont seem to see it oo simply prefer to not adress that. So why don't you explain to us all in detail how the cheating in the TM can occur if it's so easy ? |
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canonico
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posted: 2012-06-07 18:52:15 (ID: 43920) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
there is already a chance of cheating in the TM (easier then trading) yet you dont seem to see it oo simply prefer to not adress that. So why don't you explain to us all in detail how the cheating in the TM can occur if it's so easy ? If i need to explain it to you then you are not paying attention. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-06-07 18:56:18 (ID: 43921) Report Abuse |
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canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
there is already a chance of cheating in the TM (easier then trading) yet you dont seem to see it oo simply prefer to not adress that. So why don't you explain to us all in detail how the cheating in the TM can occur if it's so easy ? If i need to explain it to you then you are not paying attention. I paid attention and re-read your earlier waffle , but all it mentioned regarding cheating was that you could have two accounts/one manager ....so how would you defeat the Anti Cheating Framework with your two accounts ? |
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canonico
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posted: 2012-06-07 19:01:12 (ID: 43922) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
sh8888 wrote:
canonico wrote:
there is already a chance of cheating in the TM (easier then trading) yet you dont seem to see it oo simply prefer to not adress that. So why don't you explain to us all in detail how the cheating in the TM can occur if it's so easy ? If i need to explain it to you then you are not paying attention. I paid attention and re-read your earlier waffle , but all it mentioned regarding cheating was that you could have two accounts/one manager ....so how would you defeat the Anti Cheating Framework with your two accounts ? Sh8888 im sure you have friends, so just think about it. I dont think i should be saying or explaning how to cheat. But if you think about it its quite easy to take advantage of the TM. |
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canonico
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posted: 2012-06-07 19:11:48 (ID: 43923) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
I paid attention and re-read your earlier waffle , but all it mentioned regarding cheating was that you could have two accounts/one manager ....so how would you defeat the Anti Cheating Framework with your two accounts ? And forgot to add, since you say you cant defeat the Anti Cheating Framework (Multis) why was this argument used to shut down trades? When it clearly isnt a problem? Last edited on 2012-06-07 19:12:18 by canonico |
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posted: 2012-06-07 19:11:48 (ID: 43924) Report Abuse |
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Sh8888 im sure you have friends, so just think about it. I dont think i should be saying or explaning how to cheat. But if you think about it its quite easy to take advantage of the TM. I have thought about it and my conclusion is that it's NOT "quite easy to take advantage of the TM". However, it would be interesting to hear your ideas regarding how to cheat in the TM. The other forum users could then comment upon whether the ideas are feasible or not. I think everyone would be fascinated to see the flaws and vulnerabilities of the current TM ....please enlighten us. |
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