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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-07-06 22:31:27 (ID: 46839) Report Abuse |
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I think he means for pinning the ball on the 1 or 2 yard line, or kicking off to the corners.
Really though, the end result either way isn't going to make a big difference since special teams have been pretty plain and predictable outside of fg's. |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-07-06 22:35:42 (ID: 46841) Report Abuse |
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Sisko wrote:
Hm, maybe you could think of INT in a more generous way. Here is what I mean: We have different definitions of Strength in RZA. Like strenght for a QB is arm-strenght, while for OL and DL it's pure power. INT for a Kicker could mean kind of cleverness in kicking situations - or maybe even dexterity which by certain means should be affected by your brain. I think it is important to find out what is meant by intelligence. There is a huge difference between having a high IQ and having a high football IQ. I am assuming that by intelligence it is implied it is football intelligence. As such, it would be good for all positions to have some intelligence, ideally all would have high intelligence. After all, the mental game is huge! |
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JeremiahK
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posted: 2012-07-06 23:37:35 (ID: 46844) Report Abuse |
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Ok heres another slant on the K/P INT subject.
For one there is no situation where a kicker has anything to think about apart from kicking the pill through the up rights. Punters only difference is field position but again some of the kickers/punters in our league are hardly the brightest sparks and quite frankly K/P are barely football players in my book. It is so undervalued here that we hardly spend any time on it having just 2 practices a week (amateur league) This whole debate seems to be about finding a way to expand the limited skill set required at the moment for K/P. Is POSITIIONING a skill these 2 need currently. How about FOOTWORK. If either or both are not maybe they are better skills to implement for them to get the result Pete wants. I think some of the protest concerning INT is because in real life there are so many instances where kickers especially have some very retarded things. Garo Yepremian anyone???? and that pass ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGC-uGKivvE Martin Gramatica celebration that lead to a season ending injury??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK81Ej5hm8s and this ROLFer from Peyton Manning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GILXUJa2l1w From my experience kickers and punters are a strange breed. The little guy sits on the bench all game and then is asked to save the team with a 60 yards FG attempt or punt from their own endzone or any other pressure situation. No wonder most of them go queer in the head. Watch also what most of them do when the snap is fumbled or something goes wrong they shit themselves and often just fall over. There is a reason why kicking/punting situations dominate most football folly type videos good and bad. Anyway I was our teams kicker for a time as well as my part time job as the teams starting QB and I can tell you kicking requires only concentration and footskill not IQ. |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-07-07 12:11:43 (ID: 46881) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
I think he means for pinning the ball on the 1 or 2 yard line, or kicking off to the corners. Really though, the end result either way isn't going to make a big difference since special teams have been pretty plain and predictable outside of fg's. whats that got to do with Intelligence. You don't need to have intelligence greater than 1 to know that its a good idea to try and pin the other team within the 5 as opposed to boot it out for a touchback. |
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Toni Gorilla
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posted: 2012-07-19 10:43:41 (ID: 48366) Report Abuse |
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mikemike778 wrote:
You don't need to have intelligence greater than 1 to know that its a good idea to try and pin the other team within the 5 as opposed to boot it out for a touchback. My word. +1 I'm rolling up this discussion again, maybe someone wants to join in. I've got a YA full of talented players, some with more, some with less INT. I need to sack/sell a few of them and I'm still undecided where to actually play the ones with little IQ. Which ones will I keep, knowing that their low INT won't harm me on the pitch? My personal observations confirm that OL need INT, at least in terms of Star Rating. I noticed this recently, since identical players have half a star less Rating, if they have got low INT. I cannot make this statement for WR. Although I previously said that my WR seem to catch more balls if they have high INT, it does not show in Star Rating. In fact, in the WR's Star Rating there appears to be very little (if any) input from INT. Example: WR 1: SPE40-STR29-CAT19-AGI11-POS11-INT39 -Rating:2 WR 2: SPE40-STR27-CAT20-AGI12-POS13-INT11 -Rating:2.5 WR 2 got his 2.5 Rating about 5 weeks (RZA time) ago, while I'm still waiting for the more intelligent WR 1 to finally jump up. Therefore I believe WR may NOT need high INT, if the Star Rating really reflects a player's on-pitch performance. Do other managers have examples that may give clue what positions need/do not need INT? |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-07-19 10:49:11 (ID: 48368) Report Abuse |
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Toni Gorilla wrote:
My personal observations confirm that OL need INT, at least in terms of Star Rating. I noticed this recently, since identical players have half a star less Rating, if they have got low INT. Don't take this the wrong way, but are you really sure about this ? ..... I've noticed that very similar-looking players can have different star ratings, but quite often it is 'Experience' that differentiates the players rather than Intell. I'm not saying that you're wrong or right ... just posing the question  |
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Toni Gorilla
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posted: 2012-07-19 10:58:22 (ID: 48371) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
are you really sure about this ? ..... No problem at all to question me. I'll give you examples to convince you. The two OL received their 2.5 Stars last training update: OL 1: STR40-BLO21-FW14-POS15-INT9-EXP4-Rating:2.5 OL 2: STR44-BLO21-FW14-POS15-INT4-EXP3.5-Rating:2.5 This OL received his 2.5 Star about 4 weeks ago (RZA time) OL 3: STR40-BLO16-FW11-POS13-INT36-EXP3-Rating:2.5 I believe this is a very strong example, since OL 1 and 2 have more BLO, FW, POS and EXP. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-07-19 11:01:40 (ID: 48372) Report Abuse |
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Can you also post the figures for Teamwork and Agility ?
I used to think that Agility was almost irrelevant for O-Line but I'm starting to have a re-think. |
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Toni Gorilla
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posted: 2012-07-19 11:19:03 (ID: 48377) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
Can you also post the figures for Teamwork and Agility ? I used to think that Agility was almost irrelevant for O-Line but I'm starting to have a re-think. I think Pete mentioned AGI is important, at least for OT, in order to pass block. I'm unsure if it comes into effect for run block, too. OL 1: TW19-AGI14 OL 2: TW28-AGI12 OL 3: TW28-AGI13 So, not too much of a difference here. I think the main variable that differs is INT. |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-07-19 11:36:20 (ID: 48380) Report Abuse |
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I don't think Intelligence makes that big of a difference.
I have 4 guys all have 2.5 rating and all 4 have 4 star experience. Name Talent* Speed Strength Blocking Agility Vision Positioning Footwork Intelligence Teamwork Experience* RAT-OL* A 5 44.6 43.7 26.8 25.3 13.6 19.7 13.1 34.3 26.7 2 2.5 B 2 32.5 48.9 23.8 12.4 12.7 13.3 13.7 19.8 11.7 4 2.5 C 4 29.4 41.4 27.9 17.3 13.5 21.1 17.7 24.3 40.5 4 2.5 D 2.5 27.4 43.1 25.9 14.4 12.2 14.7 15 6.7 33.5 4 2.5 E 5 19.6 50 30.7 12.1 14.6 23.7 16.8 50 32.6 3 3 F 1.5 24.8 43.2 30.6 16.8 12.7 17.5 12.5 29.6 34.4 4 2.5 Wish there was a way to insert a table to make this clear but what I see is that the 4 guys that 2.5 rated and 4 experience vary in the intelligence from 6.7 to 34. Strength didn't even seem to make the big difference. I have 2 guys who are smarter and stronger with a little less blocking and rated 2's. They have less than 2 experience. I would say experience is FAR more important than intelligence in the ratings. |
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