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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2012-08-06 14:36:03 (ID: 50468) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
holmeboy wrote:
Only other suggestion I could make is maybe when changing a players position he gets an experience hit (something small like 1/2 a star) I don't think that's small. It seems to take ages for players to gain even half a star of experience. As you said earlier in your post, one of the main problems with messing with experience in any way is that if it starts to become like BPOS in G*I then it becomes a nonsense .... I still laugh when I see a G*I player with 0.5* bpos at CornerBack and 5* bpos at Safety ..... that's just cloud cuckoo-land. I think this whole suggestion is dead in the water .... the only thing it seems to bring is more complexity. This has got to be like the 10th post this suggestion that referenced -TOG-as some sort of form for detracting the Experience Debate. Maybe I have to review the initial post but I dont think the originator mentioned -TOG-in any shape... and if so it still makes no difference. The -TOG-example displayed on the above post has nothing to do with the originator's suggestion how experience should be applied. In fact its basically the opposite of what he said. Experienced will be retained by a scale depending on how relevant the positions are being switched. Seems perfectly logical. What is illogical is Tom -G.O.A.T- having more experience at CB than some other first year QB who's never played CB before either. Why does Tom -G.O.A.T- have more experience at CB I ask you who feel experience is a across the board measure? Why does tom -G.O.A.T- have anymore NFL experience playing CB than anyone who is reading this message right now? The manual even says Players gain experience by "number of plays on the field" and "Any experience less than 5* is a penalty to the players technical abilities". The way I read that... the position the player is gaining experience in should definitely be a factor. |
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alexshans84
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posted: 2012-08-06 15:03:59 (ID: 50470) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
This has got to be like the 10th post this suggestion that referenced -TOG-as some sort of form for detracting the Experience Debate. Maybe I have to review the initial post but I dont think the originator mentioned -TOG-in any shape... and if so it still makes no difference. The -TOG-example displayed on the above post has nothing to do with the originator's suggestion how experience should be applied. In fact its basically the opposite of what he said. Experienced will be retained by a scale depending on how relevant the positions are being switched. Seems perfectly logical. What is illogical is Tom -G.O.A.T- having more experience at CB than some other first year QB who's never played CB before either. Why does Tom -G.O.A.T- have more experience at CB I ask you who feel experience is a across the board measure? Why does tom -G.O.A.T- have anymore NFL experience playing CB than anyone who is reading this message right now? The manual even says Players gain experience by "number of plays on the field" and "Any experience less than 5* is a penalty to the players technical abilities". The way I read that... the position the player is gaining experience in should definitely be a factor. Thanks, this is what I meant but could not write in plain English. BTW I've never played -TOG-and know nothing about BPos. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-08-06 15:15:34 (ID: 50472) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
Why does tom -G.O.A.T- have anymore NFL experience playing CB than anyone who is reading this message right now? Because he's got experience of playing (and winning) at the highest level and has played in the NFL for a considerable time, therefore he would be far better than you at CB or at any position. If you think differently then let Bill Bellichick know that you're available and I'm sure if he thinks you're suitable and have the experience for playing in the NFL, he'll no doubt give you a call. Wear something comfortable and have plenty of food/drink whilst you sit by the phone though, it may be an interminably long wait ......... |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2012-08-06 16:01:19 (ID: 50483) Report Abuse |
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Just like moving a player here from QB to CB the same applies to Tom -G.O.A.T-. His physical limitations will affect how well he plays the position more than his experience.
Moving Tom -G.O.A.T- to another position isn't going to be like watching Bambi on Ice just because he's moved position. His intelligence will probably be enough for him to play that position effectively considering his physicals but lets say you play him at DE. He will probably make the right pass rush, block the correct running lanes and everything because after his experience at QB he has probably seen every move ever made by a DL. But the 400lb OL beast he's up against will just flatten him because he isn't up to the job physically. The same would apply to CB maybe even more so after watching all these CBs over the years trying to stop him hitting his receivers |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-08-06 16:08:24 (ID: 50487) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
Just like moving a player here from QB to CB the same applies to Tom -G.O.A.T-. His physical limitations will affect how well he plays the position more than his experience. Moving Tom -G.O.A.T- to another position isn't going to be like watching Bambi on Ice just because he's moved position. His intelligence will probably be enough for him to play that position effectively considering his physicals but lets say you play him at DE. He will probably make the right pass rush, block the correct running lanes and everything because after his experience at QB he has probably seen every move ever made by a DL. But the 400lb OL beast he's up against will just flatten him because he isn't up to the job physically. The same would apply to CB maybe even more so after watching all these CBs over the years trying to stop him hitting his receivers Once again I agree 100% |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-06 17:22:03 (ID: 50510) Report Abuse |
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So there is no difference between moving around in the pocket and covering a WR - check!
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bwadders76
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posted: 2012-08-06 17:48:39 (ID: 50523) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
So there is no difference between moving around in the pocket and covering a WR - check! Is that what I said? 
What I did say is that Tom -G.O.A.T-s job is to move the ball into the end zone obviously when looking for a pass or taking a snap he has never ever seen a DL make a move or block a running lane nor has he ever seen a cover move made by a CB or SF to prevent a WR from getting open. Obviously when he makes a completed pass or throws for a touchdown it's purely down to luck. When a KR steps in at WR does that mean he never makes a catch because his only experience is from the ball coming towards him from the front not from behind? Ask your local football team if they would like Tom -G.O.A.T- to coach the defensive line or if they would prefer you because you have played in that position and have more experience right? So surely you should be able to teach them more about how to stuff the run or hit the QB. No wonder Vince Lombardi only won 73.8% of his regular season games as Head Coach of the Packers it was because he was an OL so only knew how to effectively coach those players with his experiences as a player. I think I need a beer |
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bwadders76 wrote:
I think I need a beer  (cold Guinness) |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-06 17:51:28 (ID: 50525) Report Abuse |
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Watching others doing it and knowing theory is a lot different to "EXPERIENCE".
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alexshans84
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posted: 2012-08-06 17:58:26 (ID: 50530) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
Just like moving a player here from QB to CB the same applies to Tom -G.O.A.T-. His physical limitations will affect how well he plays the position more than his experience. Moving Tom -G.O.A.T- to another position isn't going to be like watching Bambi on Ice just because he's moved position. His intelligence will probably be enough for him to play that position effectively considering his physicals but lets say you play him at DE. He will probably make the right pass rush, block the correct running lanes and everything because after his experience at QB he has probably seen every move ever made by a DL. But the 400lb OL beast he's up against will just flatten him because he isn't up to the job physically. The same would apply to CB maybe even more so after watching all these CBs over the years trying to stop him hitting his receivers Once again, I disagree. Moving QB to CB here (as I can see) just means that you need to train his tackling (I saw a lot of QBs with speed near 40). Everyone can compare the main attributes of RL QBs, CBs and others at sports.espn.go.com for example Last edited on 2012-08-06 18:02:03 by alexshans84 |
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