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canonico
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posted: 2012-08-06 03:37:19 (ID: 50397) Report Abuse |
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Warlord99 wrote:
although this if coded in could completely do away with the TM as you could just trade for the players that you want but only up to a certain point in the season What leads you to say this? It would not make the TM obsolete. Do you think Owners would then not buy or sell players and only trade? That makes no sense, trading a player is not a everyday thing, and if you read the threads i posted you will see that some ideas are to infact only allow X number of trades per season. Usualy a trade is made to either improve your team instantely or thinking on the future, and at the very least both owners have to agree on what they are trading, plus a comitee that was talked would also supervise all possible trades, while if you want a player that is on the TM all you have to do is bid and out bid other owners, also the trade feature does not directly give you any possibility to make cash (and if ever gets implemented should be disallowed to allow placing any player traded on the transfer market for X amount of days), while if you need cash you can resort to seeling one of your top players in order to re-finance your club. So saying that the possibilty that the trading feature would infact make the TM obsolete is a stretch to say the least. So unless you can explain your train of thought that lead to that conclusion i disagree with that opinion Warlord. |
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Warlord99
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posted: 2012-08-06 05:43:42 (ID: 50400) Report Abuse |
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trading does away with the TM because if you look at the NFL, teams gather their lineups purely from free agency (which we don't have yet), trading with other teams for future draft picks, money +players, multiple players etc, and the draft in which in real life a team doesnt just take 3 players, they draft if im not mistaken somewhere in the double digits, so in that respect, adding in trading and ok i guess keeping the TM but renaming it to free agency would possibly make more sense, but yes i see trading as taking up most of what the TM currently does.
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canonico
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posted: 2012-08-06 06:23:07 (ID: 50403) Report Abuse |
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Warlord99 wrote:
trading does away with the TM because if you look at the NFL, teams gather their lineups purely from free agency (which we don't have yet), Lets not compare RZA to NFL, i don't even know if the goal is to emulate the NFL. And there are free agents on the TM already. You just need to bid for them also. At least i think players that show up without a team name are FA. Warlord99 wrote:trading with other teams for future draft picks, money +players, multiple players etc, and the draft in which in real life a team doesnt just take 3 players, they draft if im not mistaken somewhere in the double digits, so in that respect, adding in trading and ok i guess keeping the TM but renaming it to free agency would possibly make more sense, but yes i see trading as taking up most of what the TM currently does.
Trading no matter how it is presented will have some effect on the TM sure, but to say it will make it obsolete is like i said before, a stretch or a big stretch i might add, i gave you some examples to why it wont, you are not giving me any examples to why would it makes the TM an un-wanted option for owners. And why would changing the TM name to Free Agency made more sense? Again i don't see why Owners wouldn't continue to sell and buy players, just because there are trades (A limited amount of them) wouldn't mean i would stop trying to buy players or selling them. Or do you think if you would prupose to trade a scrappy youth Academy with no potential for my Veteran RB i would say yes? No you would have to sell that scrappy player or release him. This was just an example, it seems you believe people will just trade like there's no tomorrow and not sell or buy players, but not only i don't believe that would happen, has if you read the two threads i linked there are suggestions to put limits on how many trades per season a owner can make, with a deadline to make them and it would most likely have to be player for player not draft pick or cash. Guess im totaly missing your point. |
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Warlord99
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posted: 2012-08-06 06:31:08 (ID: 50405) Report Abuse |
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you are missing the point, my point was that you can trade in different ways and believe it or not a manager might take 3 or 4 players for a good running back watch the nfl during a regular season and see how many trades go on per day, and yes pete is trying to add in a lot of what the nfl does here in fact just looking at the to do list proves that, my point is that trading adds another way to get a player or two that you want without having to bid exorbant amounts of money for a player that may or may not be good, only to get rid of him, heres an example lets say team A picks up a player from the TM that originally was supposed to be a gem but turned out to not work for their team, Team B though could use that player and has a player that would work for Team A so they can do a straight across trade. Now for an example that you had. Team A wants really good running back, Team B will part with said running back, but wants a couple players plus some cash in the trade, Team A is willing deal is successful, No need to use TM in that case just to swap players and cash. The TM like I said then would become a Free Agent market where players who aren't on teams at all go.
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canonico
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posted: 2012-08-06 06:41:22 (ID: 50407) Report Abuse |
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Warlord99 wrote:
you are missing the point, my point was that you can trade in different ways and believe it or not a manager might take 3 or 4 players for a good running back watch the nfl during a regular season and see how many trades go on per day, and yes pete is trying to add in a lot of what the nfl does here in fact just looking at the to do list proves that, my point is that trading adds another way to get a player or two that you want without having to bid exorbant amounts of money for a player that may or may not be good, only to get rid of him, heres an example lets say team A picks up a player from the TM that originally was supposed to be a gem but turned out to not work for their team, Team B though could use that player and has a player that would work for Team A so they can do a straight across trade. Now for an example that you had. Team A wants really good running back, Team B will part with said running back, but wants a couple players plus some cash in the trade, Team A is willing deal is successful, No need to use TM in that case just to swap players and cash. The TM like I said then would become a Free Agent market where players who aren't on teams at all go. Did you read my post? And did you read the threads i linked? I don't think you did, the possibility of trading for cash and draft picks was shutdown, you would only trade player for player not player for players. So that would sink any theory of the TM beeing obsolete, also again for the third time, it would have to be a limited option you couldn't be trading the entire season, you would have like 3 trades per season, seriously read the linked threads first. You are talking without knowledge of the suggestions already made on those threads. And what does the To Do list shows that has something to do with the NFL? All i see is something related to Football, why is it the NFL? Nothing in this game makes me think on the NFL, it actualy makes me thing of College Football much more. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-06 09:12:57 (ID: 50424) Report Abuse |
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Maybe a good idea is to only allow trades between teams in the same division? That way at least a good div 1 team cannot be fueled by a div 2 feeder.
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-06 09:42:39 (ID: 50436) Report Abuse |
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Another thing - even if you got a lot of good players by "cheating" somehow, you still need to pay for them. Trades would not make anyone richer - only a 3 pronged conspiracy can do that with the present system.
As far as cheating the present system, you probably need a player grading system and if he is not over a certain value then there should be a max limit on bids. If more than 1 player reaches that ceiling then the transfer could be cancelled or the player most denied in such ways previous could be declared the winner. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-08-06 10:05:15 (ID: 50442) Report Abuse |
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The above 2 posts tell you all you need to know about why Player Trading will never work.
If a Suggestion comes with artificial restrictions (Div 1 teams can't trade with Div 2) then it's an unworkable Suggestion. "even if you got a lot of good players by "cheating" somehow, you still need to pay for them" ......... lol .... is that a joke ? .... seems to be saying ... 'cheating will probably happen with player trading but so what'. 'Player Trading' seems to be periodically resurrected from time-to-time, but like all things that are dead, it died for a reason ..... and the reason in this case is because it's not necessary, it's unworkable, and it would be a retrograde step. R.I.P Player Trading .... you were stillborn and you really won't be missed, not in the slightest. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-06 10:27:45 (ID: 50446) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
"even if you got a lot of good players by "cheating" somehow, you still need to pay for them" ......... lol .... is that a joke ? .... seems to be saying ... 'cheating will probably happen with player trading but so what'. No point getting a ton of good players that you cannot afford the wages of. In any case, isn't the biggest potential problem the one that already exists? i.e. 3 prong bidding. Again, if you confine trading (and maybe even the entire TM) to "serious" teams then I see no problem. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-08-06 10:32:11 (ID: 50447) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
Again, if you confine trading (and maybe even the entire TM) to "serious" teams then I see no problem. What is a 'serious' team ? and who decides which teams are 'serious' and which teams are not-so-serious ? lol ...... sounds to me as though you're not being very serious at all if you're talking about 'confining trading to serious teams'. |
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