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sneaky_minotaur
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posted: 2012-08-23 16:58:07 (ID: 53642) Report Abuse |
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MTS1972 wrote:
If this was an Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre or Joe Montana/Steve Young situation - or maybe a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck situation....hell even an Peyton Manning/Tim Tebow succession, then id agree with you. But if Manning doesnt work it - either he just doesnt click (see McNabb in Washington, Favre in Minnesota plus the countless other examples) or he breaks down again - where do Denver go then? Back to Kyle Orton? Where is their contingency? Who is Manning bringing through that will improve Denver sufficiently for the post Manning seasons - because lets face it, with everything working out for the absolute best - he has what 1? 2? 3 max seasons left in him? Maybe they have a young dynamite QB that Manning is bringing through i dont know about - but it seems he still has alot of issues from him year long injury and its all on Manning on what is not exactly a premium offensive unit. The answer is: Brock Osweiler ok now that you're done laughing... 
From my point of view bottom line is we made this team better by getting rid of Tebow. It took getting Manning to allow the Broncos the latitude to show Tebow the door. The fact is while Tebow was nice in the short run he does not have the skill set to be an every down QB in the modern NFL. His presence (that of and his christian, not football, fans) would have held us back in the long run. Anyway, back to Brock. I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's "da bomb" or whatnot, but he's got good measureables and has made nice progress in camp. He does need more time to develop, but hopefully he'll have 2 or 3 years before he's needed. 
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MTS1972
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posted: 2012-08-23 19:09:47 (ID: 53686) Report Abuse |
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it does kinda beg the question why the Broncos drafted him in the first place - i dont disagree with what you say about him at all - but all those elements were apparent pre draft - and is it unfair to suggest that he ultimately got the Broncos into the playoffs last season? I may be wrong - i didnt take that much notice - but he seemed to be key to the Broncos charge to the Division and the playoffs after being drafted - ok, Tebow and Manning may not have been possible salary cap wise - but for future proofing? I still say you may well live to regret it.
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scottishbronco
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posted: 2012-08-23 19:12:55 (ID: 53689) Report Abuse |
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sneaky_minotaur wrote:
MTS1972 wrote:
If this was an Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre or Joe Montana/Steve Young situation - or maybe a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck situation....hell even an Peyton Manning/Tim Tebow succession, then id agree with you. But if Manning doesnt work it - either he just doesnt click (see McNabb in Washington, Favre in Minnesota plus the countless other examples) or he breaks down again - where do Denver go then? Back to Kyle Orton? Where is their contingency? Who is Manning bringing through that will improve Denver sufficiently for the post Manning seasons - because lets face it, with everything working out for the absolute best - he has what 1? 2? 3 max seasons left in him? Maybe they have a young dynamite QB that Manning is bringing through i dont know about - but it seems he still has alot of issues from him year long injury and its all on Manning on what is not exactly a premium offensive unit. The answer is: Brock Osweiler ok now that you're done laughing...
From my point of view bottom line is we made this team better by getting rid of Tebow. It took getting Manning to allow the Broncos the latitude to show Tebow the door. The fact is while Tebow was nice in the short run he does not have the skill set to be an every down QB in the modern NFL. His presence (that of and his christian, not football, fans) would have held us back in the long run. Anyway, back to Brock. I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's "da bomb" or whatnot, but he's got good measureables and has made nice progress in camp. He does need more time to develop, but hopefully he'll have 2 or 3 years before he's needed.
From the little Broncos games televised live here in the UK, i cringed everytime Tebow had the ball. I firmly believe if we had a better QB against the Patroits we may not have won, but we certainly would have given ourselves way more credit leaving the field. Now you'll say it was the Pats offense that beat up on us, which is true, but with nothing to worry the Pats D, they severely isolated the fact Tebow cannot pass a reasonable ball consistently enough to have them worried. On to Brock now. With Manning as his mentor it can only accelerate his learning curve and make him more NFL ready in a shorter period of time. It's just my opinion of course, and only time will tell, if we do manage to get a fit Manning for the reg season then other teams should be worried |
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sneaky_minotaur
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posted: 2012-08-23 19:53:29 (ID: 53699) Report Abuse |
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MTS1972 wrote:
it does kinda beg the question why the Broncos drafted him in the first place - i dont disagree with what you say about him at all - but all those elements were apparent pre draft - and is it unfair to suggest that he ultimately got the Broncos into the playoffs last season? I may be wrong - i didnt take that much notice - but he seemed to be key to the Broncos charge to the Division and the playoffs after being drafted - ok, Tebow and Manning may not have been possible salary cap wise - but for future proofing? I still say you may well live to regret it. lol, you'd have to ask Josh McDaniels why he drafted him in the first place (or why he traded up to draft him in the first round which was the real problem). But thankfully the Broncos fired his sorry #%@$ as did the Rams. (guy was terrible, set the franchise back years, totally incompetent as a HC, don't even get me started on him...   ).
So instead of having to make a long speech  about why Tebow isn't the answer at QB for the Broncos, I'll just point out that the most the Broncos were able to get for him in trade was a 4th and 6th round pick, along with paying around 2.5 million in salary due Tebow. Jacksonville (Tebow's home town) made a very similar offer but that was it.
In contrast, last year the Card's traded Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (good player) and a 2nd round pick for Kevin Kolb. It would have likely been a 1st rounder if not for Cromartie (a former 1st rounder). Basically, NFL GM's don't believe in Tebow and neither do I. 
It's true he gave the Bronco's a much needed spark last year, but the games they won really had as much to do with the defense stepping up as it did with anything else. Last edited on 2012-08-23 20:24:34 by sneaky_minotaur |
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sneaky_minotaur
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posted: 2012-08-23 20:12:10 (ID: 53701) Report Abuse |
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scottishbronco wrote:
From the little Broncos games televised live here in the UK, i cringed everytime Tebow had the ball. I firmly believe if we had a better QB against the Patroits we may not have won, but we certainly would have given ourselves way more credit leaving the field. Now you'll say it was the Pats offense that beat up on us, which is true, but with nothing to worry the Pats D, they severely isolated the fact Tebow cannot pass a reasonable ball consistently enough to have them worried. On to Brock now. With Manning as his mentor it can only accelerate his learning curve and make him more NFL ready in a shorter period of time. It's just my opinion of course, and only time will tell, if we do manage to get a fit Manning for the reg season then other teams should be worried I agree. I kept saying last year if the defense had played as hard for Orton as the did for Tebow we'd have won a lot more games. I guess I do have to give Tebow credit for that, he did seem to give a mental lift to the defense at least. However, as you point out the game were very difficult to watch and boring as hell (until the final couple minutes anyway). |
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sneaky_minotaur
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posted: 2012-08-27 16:06:10 (ID: 54065) Report Abuse |
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Well that was a pretty good effort by the first team guys against San Fran!
Nice stat line for Peyton in limited work. Hopefully that's the Peyton we'll see a lot more of during the regular season. |
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scottishbronco
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posted: 2012-08-27 18:19:50 (ID: 54086) Report Abuse |
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sneaky_minotaur wrote:
Well that was a pretty good effort by the first team guys against San Fran!
Nice stat line for Peyton in limited work. Hopefully that's the Peyton we'll see a lot more of during the regular season. It made for an entertaining evening here, glued to nfl.com 
I had given up at half time though, and was shocked to see the final score, but kudos to the first team guys who dominated a very good SF team. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-08-27 18:37:11 (ID: 54088) Report Abuse |
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scottishbronco wrote:
a very good SF team. |
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scottishbronco
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posted: 2012-08-27 19:05:14 (ID: 54093) Report Abuse |
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I loved watching the niners play last season.
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scottishbronco
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posted: 2012-08-31 18:36:53 (ID: 54741) Report Abuse |
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A night off for the top of the Denver depth chart. gotta say the lads done well.
Some amazing passing plays from both the Cards and the Broncos but i take my hat off to Bouldin. 103 yards on his return to Arizona. Always a beautiful thing to watch kick returns *touchdown dance*. |
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