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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-08-15 21:22:10 (ID: 52577) Report Abuse |
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Yet the typical O line draft player has 10 agility...
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-08-15 21:22:55 (ID: 52578) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
This subject has been mentioned on-and-off a few times, occasionally as a subject in it's own right, and more often than not during one of those thread-hijackings that seem to be numerous and happen often in the RZA forums ( I blame Sfniner  ) ..... anyway .....
2 simple questions :- (1) Do you think Agility is a big deal for O-linemen ? (2) Have you any evidence that Agility helps/doesn't help O_linemen ? I seem to remember that even the great Solana_Steve mentioned in his Coaches Corner that he wasn't sure if agility was useful for O-Linemen. I also seem to remember that Dark_Wing was convinced that his O_Linemen had good player ratings because their agility was well-trained. Go for it .... tell me what you think Given you can't see the plays just a description - you'll be hard pressed to find any evidencethat any skill works. Think I asked this about strength for OL - people were saying, you can't play OL in RZA without 40/42/45/47 strength delete as appropriate. When asked if anyone had seen any evidence that a low strength guy can't play OL - no one could. It was just assumed that because you need to be strong in RL to play the position you must be here. |
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slider6
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posted: 2012-08-15 21:23:20 (ID: 52579) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
slider6 wrote:
dark_wing wrote:
sh8888 wrote:
I also seem to remember that Dark_Wing was convinced that his O_Linemen had good player ratings because their agility was well-trained. The player with highter level of agility have better rating. How high of agility are you talking? be careful with this one ..... Dark_Wing once said that some of his O-Line had higher ratings because of Agility .... I scouted some of them and it looked like the higher ratings were coming from Experience. That's why I said previously ... has anyone got any evidence ? preferably admissible in a court of law under oath 
Yeah, I kind of want to set up a friendly series to test out this theory. |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-08-15 21:26:33 (ID: 52580) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
Yet the typical O line draft player has 10 agility... Peter answered this very point on the lines of draft picks can't have high skills in every skill they use. OL seems to use more trainable skills than pretty much any other position (bl, pos, ag, vis - manual says all players use vision , fw) and they can't be good at all of them. Its obviously secondary to the big skills for an OL but its clearly very useful and given its wage free (everyone will train it at or less than blocking so its essentially freee) you'd be daft to ignore it. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-08-15 21:28:50 (ID: 52581) Report Abuse |
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mikemike778 wrote:
Given you can't see the plays just a description - you'll be hard pressed to find any evidencethat any skill works. Yes and No. In principle ... yes. what you are saying now makes sense, as it normally does. However .... there are sometimes slightly more lateral ways of narrowing down things such as this. For example ... occasionally you can have 'identical twin' players, they're almost the same in every aspect .... except one is noticeably higher in one particular skill/attribute .... it sometimes can be enough to prove something or disprove something. It once helped me to prove that Experience did play quite an important role in player rating. I didn't need it to prove that point to me as the Manual explicitly states it .... but you get the picture. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-15 21:50:08 (ID: 52585) Report Abuse |
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How about lobbying the devs to tell us what does nothing for each position?
I don't need to be told how significant each skill is but to not know what has no effect at all seems stupid. 
Anyway, since Agility is a part of physicals, I'd guess it effects all but punters and kickers - or might it even effect them? |
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Ranagol
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posted: 2012-08-15 22:01:05 (ID: 52586) Report Abuse |
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You might want evidence sh8888 to prove that agility is part of the OL skillset, and rightly so, but I don't think the game is quite in that stage yet where people are satisfied with their OLine and the only thing left to train is agility.
Maybe then we can have a more meaningful discussion about this, but for now it's yet another one of those threads where we can all speculate, and wait for Peter to drop another riddle to f**k with our brains. |
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petef
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posted: 2012-08-15 22:16:45 (ID: 52587) Report Abuse |
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IMO I have always worked by the thought that agility is important...tackles more so than centres
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-08-16 01:12:42 (ID: 52602) Report Abuse |
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Yep, that makes sense. Those first few steps to get out on speed rushers. Maybe on the interior it could help cope with run rushers yielding less tackles for loss.
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CCILL
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posted: 2012-08-16 04:01:47 (ID: 52607) Report Abuse |
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Does it really matter? I have noticed that when it comes to OL – V – DL that it is either feast or famine. One game an OL player may have something like 50 good blocks and 48 pancakes the next game 0 good, 50 missed and 0 pancakes. Looks like strength is all that is used by the ME.
I guess the developers are too young to remember the undersized St. Louis Cardinals [cardiac kids] OL that only allowed 6 sacks one season. Or the original Washington Redskins HOGS who never spent a second in a weight room! Unless 12 oz curls count as weight lifting! Hoping to see if the new ME accounts for this, as line play is by far the most important factor to a winning football team, RL anyway. |
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