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alexshans84
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posted: 2012-09-04 10:25:34 (ID: 55173) Report Abuse |
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Sh8888 raised serious problem of Supercup again: motivation for teams that are out of playoff (2 losses and more).
Here is my suggestion: seeding. I don't know how the divisions are filling now, but for motivational reasons there would be following seeding. All teams that get the same place on regular supercup stage of the last season compile one pool (all division winners in one pool, runner-ups in another pool, 10th place in another pool). So it would be 15 pools in total. Then each division would be filled with the teams from the pools: 1 random team from each pool. So the higher place you have - the better chances to avoid a really tough division. Maybe it could motivate some teams. Even if not - it would be more fair for all participants imo. |
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Tarjan
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posted: 2012-09-04 10:35:02 (ID: 55174) Report Abuse |
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+1 sounds great
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| posted: 2012-09-04 10:57:41 (ID: 55178) Report Abuse | |
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The problem with seeding based on a system is, it helps the big fishes and don't help the smaller one.
Why? Let's assume all played based on their strength and you get in each division all teams sorted that way. Next season basically all divisions would have exactly the same strength sorting. By a random sorting like today, it can happen that weaker teams have a chance, tougher teams get eliminated. I think that's a good thing! Would your suggestion be, to sort all place 1 teams in one divison (or 3-4 because there are 48 at the moment), the second best get their divisions and so on, you would get a total different view. Problem with that system would be to can a season to get a weaker group. Bottom line: I think random fits great. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-09-04 11:09:19 (ID: 55179) Report Abuse |
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Yeah, I say leave it. If you spread things evenly then if you're not in the top 48 (or thereabouts) then you have no chance. At least this way you have a small chance to get in a division that you might be good enough to win without being super elite. I get the feeling this is the whole point of SC.
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alexshans84
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posted: 2012-09-04 11:16:47 (ID: 55180) Report Abuse |
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jack6 wrote:
The problem with seeding based on a system is, it helps the big fishes and don't help the smaller one. Why? Let's assume all played based on their strength and you get in each division all teams sorted that way. Next season basically all divisions would have exactly the same strength sorting. The main reason for seeding is not to help the "smaller fishes". Let me explain. Let's say you are the 4th team in overall strength (rating) in your division. With random system it doesn't matter if you will get "your" 4th place or after 2 losses will throw games and finish 8th. With seeding there will be difference: if you're 8th you will get another potential 4th team next season. I hope you understand me. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-09-04 11:30:23 (ID: 55183) Report Abuse |
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What might not be too bad is to have a few SC divisions where there are only some of the better div 2 teams?
Maybe such divisions could be made up out of the previous years League post season teams? And a team could nominate themself for inclusion or not. That sort of makes it a little similar to CofC. i.e. that some of the better div 2 teams get to the post season. |
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| posted: 2012-09-04 12:02:28 (ID: 55184) Report Abuse | |
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alexshans84 wrote:
jack6 wrote:
The problem with seeding based on a system is, it helps the big fishes and don't help the smaller one. Why? Let's assume all played based on their strength and you get in each division all teams sorted that way. Next season basically all divisions would have exactly the same strength sorting. The main reason for seeding is not to help the "smaller fishes". Let me explain. Let's say you are the 4th team in overall strength (rating) in your division. With random system it doesn't matter if you will get "your" 4th place or after 2 losses will throw games and finish 8th. With seeding there will be difference: if you're 8th you will get another potential 4th team next season. I hope you understand me. I can't see a difference here. Why should I be motivated to give 100% if there will be by default better teams in my group? I think the only way to motivate a higher finishing place would be to have some kind of reward in THAT season, not the next one. So maybe some extra games, cash or what ever. |
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Turtlemania
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posted: 2012-09-04 12:11:53 (ID: 55187) Report Abuse |
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jack6 wrote:
I think the only way to motivate a higher finishing place would be to have some kind of reward in THAT season, not the next one. So maybe some extra games, cash or what ever. Morale aspect is valued to low or let say it is too easy to regain morale over all If i loss cup game purpose and morale has bigger effect in games overall and because of it i risk also loss in next league game, then everyone maybe would think by himself if loss or not in supercup |
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| posted: 2012-09-04 12:15:13 (ID: 55189) Report Abuse | |
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I don't see a good reason to change it. At the moment you can blame yourself, or the luck, if you don't make it - and this is great. Seeding results in more complex scheduling functions, more work for the poor dev, and situations where others will complain to enter "such a strong group". Beside that you open another reason for "losing on purpose" - we are happy we "fixed" this problem for the league, and won't open it on the SC divisions again...Seeding doesn't solve anything in this situation, IMO.
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Tarjan
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posted: 2012-09-04 12:26:27 (ID: 55190) Report Abuse |
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The Supercup imo is something thats the substitute for a complex economy.
Perhaps the problem is that difference between "older" and "younger" teams will increase till the Finacialhammer hits the teams and some may have to sell players and get back to a solid finacal ground. As long as it doesn´t matter if you are 0-14 or 12-2 in the supercup (moral does increase way to easy after loosing a game), the supercup is nothing but money and TC after i got my first loss (Thx Moty  )
So there should be some kind of reward or punishment involved. Last edited on 2012-09-04 12:27:06 by Tarjan |
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