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bwadders76
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posted: 2012-09-04 20:31:12 (ID: 55270) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
What might not be too bad is to have a few SC divisions where there are only some of the better div 2 teams? Maybe such divisions could be made up out of the previous years League post season teams? And a team could nominate themself for inclusion or not. That sort of makes it a little similar to CofC. i.e. that some of the better div 2 teams get to the post season. Its a cup for all and all should enter. I saw an earlier post where a team would can |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2012-09-04 21:09:33 (ID: 55276) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Tarjan wrote:
discussion not wanted i am out... That's your decision then...However. What is the reason to change it? Current format: Pro: can grow with the userbase is stable in terms of finances the winner can be proud, since it is damn hard to win it Con: some feel it is too hard to get into the KO-round... Now compare with other ideas pls - and this is not meant to be arrogant, sarcastic or whatever... Season on season its harder to qualify after losing just 1 game (8 in season 4, 12 in season 3 and 13 in season 2) so interest for those who do get beat through playing poorly, MOTY or whatever interest would remain longer if there was two extra competitions added. Maybe a Supercup Minor for those ranked 49-96 (85% revenue), and a Junior Supercup for teams ranked 97 - 144 (70% revenue). Pros 1, It shouldnt be too difficult to incorporate 2, More teams remain interested in the supercup for longer 3, Finances remain stable 4, The winner can still remain proud because the supercup is no easier to win. 5, It stops this thread reappearing at the start of season 6 because interest will remain Cons 1, A little more development work to write into the programme (this shouldnt be too difficult I should imagine) Im out but if anyone can add to the pros or cons feel free |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-09-04 21:31:17 (ID: 55279) Report Abuse |
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If you are a new team...well you probably wouldn't win the division anyway, nor should you really.
If you are a team that has a few seasons under the belt...well you could get lucky with a decent division that gives you a chance. Even then, what are your odds in the playoffs? If you are an experienced team then just do the best you can to win your games. The supercup is a way for young teams that shouldn't win it yet to gain some $$$ for building their team. They get to play in stadiums far larger than their own. I don't see how changing the supercup helps anything or anyone. If the point is to have the best teams in the playoffs...well it happens at an acceptable percentage of the time. It would be interesting to see how many teams ranked in the top 48 globally at the end of the year in season 4 made the supercup playoffs. I don't get this idea that every single manager should be entitled to a structure that allows all of them a legit chance to win the supercup. It isn't a reasonable, feasible, nor logical way of thinking. |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2012-09-04 21:35:46 (ID: 55281) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
If you are a new team...well you probably wouldn't win the division anyway, nor should you really. If you are a team that has a few seasons under the belt...well you could get lucky with a decent division that gives you a chance. Even then, what are your odds in the playoffs? If you are an experienced team then just do the best you can to win your games. The supercup is a way for young teams that shouldn't win it yet to gain some $$$ for building their team. They get to play in stadiums far larger than their own. I don't see how changing the supercup helps anything or anyone. If the point is to have the best teams in the playoffs...well it happens at an acceptable percentage of the time. It would be interesting to see how many teams ranked in the top 48 globally at the end of the year in season 4 made the supercup playoffs. I don't get this idea that every single manager should be entitled to a structure that allows all of them a legit chance to win the supercup. It isn't a reasonable, feasible, nor logical way of thinking. Season 4 rankings wouldnt be a realistic way to judge this as they were distorted rankings. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-09-04 21:57:10 (ID: 55285) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
I don't get this idea that every single manager should be entitled to a structure that allows all of them a legit chance to win the supercup. It isn't a reasonable, feasible, nor logical way of thinking. Looks like that idea came straight from the top of your head, it's not mentioned in this Thread. If you read the first post in this thread, Alexshans84 makes the suggestion based upon 'Fairness' and 'Motivation'. I think you're reading something into it that doesn't exist. Most of the SC threads/suggestions are based around the fact that once a team gets to Two losses then they're going home early .... under the current system there's no getting away from that. The point is ..... should it be changed ? and if so .... How ? |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-09-04 22:03:21 (ID: 55287) Report Abuse |
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The part you quoted was simply my 2 cents on how some seem to think.
The main point of my post was that if you lose a game then understand where you are. If you are a new team the SC is just for raising funds. A moderate aged team it is for gaining experience. Seasoned teams then duke it out. If you get unlucky with 3 or 4 really good top teams then so be it. You still play it out for experience and building up of the vault for those big salaries coming down the pipe. There shouldn't be a "need" for motivation if you understand what the SC is and what it does for each type of team. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-09-04 22:13:09 (ID: 55288) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
There shouldn't be a "need" for motivation and this is from the guy that tells me that MOTY is fantastic because it simulates 'a coaches motivational role in real life'. Hmmm ... things seem a bit mixed-up/inconsistent in SfninerLand. 
Get real. The SuperCup has some good 'plus points' ..... but as I said in a different thread, the fact that 92.5% of the teams will not go through to the last 48 is a big lack of motivation for most teams .... once you hit the 2 losses your mind automatically starts to wander to thoughts like 'how many reserves can I play next game and still just sneak a win' ..... the SC shouldn't be like that, there should be strong and identifiable incentives for winning every game. Last edited on 2012-09-04 22:13:35 by sh8888 |
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alexshans84 wrote:
So the higher place you have - the better chances to avoid a really tough division. OK, let's go back to the original suggestion Why is this a good one, based on the quote above? Why a higher placed team should have better chances? I don't get that... |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-09-05 08:04:53 (ID: 55324) Report Abuse |
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My previous suggestion (div 2 league post-season teams optionally in a division of their own) was based on the wrong assumption that SC div winners make up the final 48 when it is actually the 48 teams with the best record out of the whole lot.
So my suggestion fails unless div winners go to the SC post-season no matter what their record. In this case, such a team would stand to probably have a better chance to win their division but would probably lose more games than presently. TBH, I'm not sure what I'd choose if faced with such a decision.  |
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Buffalo
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posted: 2012-09-05 08:39:49 (ID: 55325) Report Abuse |
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Why is only money the motivation for you to win games? Why is it not important to gain game experience? How can I learn, how to win games, if I play with a weak team, after loosing 2 games in the SC?
The motivation should be after 2 lost games, to adjust the team and playbook to win against stronger opponents. You should play every game with a chance to beat your opponent. |
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