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| posted: 2012-09-17 20:23:19 (ID: 57317) Report Abuse | |
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For sure we will have to find some averages, after all this is a simulation.
Sh...don't get me wrong. I know you are a "hater" of H/W, as I am. But why don't we just relax and see if people can put something together we could deal with, we could put into bits and bytes? This H/W topic is coming up again and again. It is one of the hot topics in the suggestion-board. We cannot cure the thing by just telling "it will be nuts" all the time. You agree? This specific topic if we have a Z height receiver in the NFL, and the average is from X to Y...then we just forget about Z...I mean there are people with an IQ above 150...but those people are not the majority. so if we have to write a sim about life, and go with 100-140, I see nothing wrong with it |
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posted: 2012-09-17 20:32:56 (ID: 57318) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Sh...don't get me wrong. I know you are a "hater" of H/W, as I am. I'm a 'hater' of ill-conceived/poorly thought-out ideas and 'knee-jerk' reactions. I'm not a hater of ideas per se ..... I'd like H&W if I could see how it would ever work, or if it served a purpose. It actually reminds me of MOTY .... an idea that is fundamentally flawed, full credit to MOTY though because it seems to have genuinely fooled plenty of people ..... the Managers who buy into the "it's just like a Coach's motivation' theory" ... those Managers must've surely invested their Life-savings into Bernie Madoff's ponzi schemes  |
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posted: 2012-09-17 20:35:33 (ID: 57319) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Ok, here we go...again First task is: add height and weight for each of these positions, as range QB RB FB OL WR TE DL LB CB SF K P G KR Let's see if our community can finish this task without sarcasm, bad style arguing, attacking, offending, killings... Yes, you can! The idea is: if we are able to find "the optimum per position", we could this for the existing players, and this optimum would let you use the player as per today. This is the first step... Now show me we can have serious discussions, trusting you 
You will have this based on FACT before my game kicks off |
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| posted: 2012-09-17 20:37:40 (ID: 57321) Report Abuse | |
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sh8888 wrote:
pete wrote:
Sh...don't get me wrong. I know you are a "hater" of H/W, as I am. I'm a 'hater' of ill-conceived/poorly thought-out ideas and 'knee-jerk' reactions. I'm not a hater of ideas per se ..... I'd like H&W if I could see how it would ever work, or if it served a purpose. It actually reminds me of MOTY .... an idea that is fundamentally flawed, full credit to MOTY though because it seems to have genuinely fooled plenty of people ..... the Managers who buy into the "it's just like a Coach's motivation' theory" ... those Managers must've surely invested their Life-savings into Bernie Madoff's ponzi schemes Please try to answer the last paragraph of my post, I would like to learn your opinion about (the IQ thing) |
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posted: 2012-09-17 20:47:54 (ID: 57324) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
This specific topic if we have a Z height receiver in the NFL, and the average is from X to Y...then we just forget about Z...I mean there are people with an IQ above 150...but those people are not the majority. so if we have to write a sim about life, and go with 100-140, I see nothing wrong with it Oh No 
If you ignore the 'highs' and the 'lows' then you've got 2 problems :- (a) It's not a true average or a true range. It's a bit like in America where they stopped including 'Death Valley' in the daily highest temperatures because it was usually the hottest place. It just isn't logical or factually correct (b) In NFL terms, if you ignore the 'highs' and 'lows' then for WR's you ignore Calvin Johnson and Wes Welker ... how can you ignore the best players just because they don't fit into some homogeneous 'mould' of what a NFL WR should look like ? The fact is .... plenty of the top NFL WR's don't fit the 'mould'. Therefore this suggests to me that the 'mould' is wrong, and it's pointless and meaningless to try the "one-size fits all" approach. |
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| posted: 2012-09-17 20:53:09 (ID: 57325) Report Abuse | |
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And for sure there is no tradeoff to agree on a range, because of the players with height on the absolute upper and lower edges?
C'mon...this is not a discussion then... It is black...no, it is white...couldnt it be it is grey?...no it is black  |
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posted: 2012-09-17 20:56:29 (ID: 57326) Report Abuse |
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Welker and crabtree are classic cases of -
small with tons of agility and acceleration large posession receiver They are both classic NFL receivers imo. The comparisons throughout the history of the NFL are endless. There are basically 3 kinds of NFL players - real fast real strong pretty fast and pretty strong |
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| posted: 2012-09-17 20:58:03 (ID: 57327) Report Abuse | |
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@sh8888 Have to add, after reading your post again and again I think you are misunderstanding my intention.
Nobody said we should IGNORE Welker, but we all agree he is not the average. At the moment we are talking about averages, a range those players are usually within. We need to think about how to handle EXISTING players...we can add as many Welkers we like afterwards, but we cannot use the Welker-dimension for learning about averages...  Last edited on 2012-09-17 20:58:32 by pete |
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posted: 2012-09-17 21:02:08 (ID: 57329) Report Abuse |
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FWIW:
Wes Welker was undrafted in part because he was so small. Calvin Johnson went #2 overall in part because if his monster combination of size and speed. Listing exceptions doesn't necessarily negate the rule. There was a successful NBA player who was like 5'3" but that doesn't mean that height is irrelevant when scouting NBA prospects. |
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posted: 2012-09-17 21:02:16 (ID: 57330) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
Welker and crabtree are classic cases of - small with tons of agility and acceleration large posession receiver Crabtree is 6-1 and weighs 214 ....... not exactly 'small' ...even by 2012 NFL standards.  |
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