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| posted: 2012-10-24 23:00:59 (ID: 63555) Report Abuse | |
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Does anyone know how long it takes a player to go from 1-star experience to 5-star experience (assume he's a starter)?
How long do you think it should take (based on real football)? If a rookie comes into the NFL, how many season does he need to play before he plays like a veteran? 3-4 seasons maybe? Steve SD Blitz |
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posted: 2012-10-25 00:34:35 (ID: 63564) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
Does anyone know how long it takes a player to go from 1-star experience to 5-star experience (assume he's a starter)? How long do you think it should take (based on real football)? If a rookie comes into the NFL, how many season does he need to play before he plays like a veteran? 3-4 seasons maybe? Steve SD Blitz Cant answer your first question but as for the second.. Good god there are only a million reasons why some players gain experience faster or easier than others. And I would argue many front office personnel agree actual plays on the field dont count for much. How players gain exp and how much exp matters IMO differs from position to position but in the end doesnt really matter much in the long run. Football players are so finely tuned in the physicals and the mental that the only time exp will actually factor is if a player has 0 experience. I say the above because unlike basketball for example... older/vet teams dont automatically have a leg up vs teams which are younger... and there is NO home field advantage in the NFL (check the wins/loss stats). The experience of the HC and front office personnel means much more than the collective experience of the team at large if you ask me. |
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posted: 2012-10-25 02:06:11 (ID: 63571) Report Abuse |
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Teams are 65-40 at home. That is a significant homefield advantage. Some stadiums are bigger homefield advantages than others. Playing in Seattle for instance is difficult. If there wasn't a home field advantage then why does Vegas factor homefield into the betting lines?
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posted: 2012-10-25 02:10:07 (ID: 63572) Report Abuse |
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However, horrible teams don't gain a big enough advantage in terms of win loss to make an impact. So the AFC WEst was horrible last year and homefield didn't help them much.
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posted: 2012-10-25 03:08:07 (ID: 63573) Report Abuse |
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ahh yes.... that is my fault... I didnt mean homefield advantage. I meant weaker team against the spread. check these stats out NFL points spread stats
I think that still goes with my conclusion that exp really doesnt mean that much in the big scheme of things. Its hardly mentioned in the narrative of how we analyze teams and players and given that most players careers are only around 3 years and the total involvement in terms of percentage of total plays is low in comparison to other sports... I dont see exp being THAT much of a factor in player value. |
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posted: 2012-10-25 07:45:29 (ID: 63581) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
If a rookie comes into the NFL, how many season does he need to play before he plays like a veteran? 3-4 seasons maybe? Yeah, I think players should be at about 4* - 4.5* after about 4 full seasons. It can be a funny thing though. More experience might mean less mistakes but it also might mean a lack of daring and flare. |
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posted: 2012-10-25 14:12:03 (ID: 63611) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
Solana_Steve wrote:
If a rookie comes into the NFL, how many season does he need to play before he plays like a veteran? 3-4 seasons maybe? Yeah, I think players should be at about 4* - 4.5* after about 4 full seasons. It can be a funny thing though. More experience might mean less mistakes but it also might mean a lack of daring and flare. at the same time I'd argue that experience really doesnt effect a players individual game though... Lets take the most visible position in QB. How many QBs play differently from there first 2-3 seasons as opposed to seasons 7-8? Injuries/athletic ability decline aside i'd argue that player's typically are who they are in that instincts count for way more than on field experience. Giving the QB example, the only QBs i can think off the dome who have substantially differed from their beginnings solely due to exp are Eli Manning and maybe Alex Smith. |
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posted: 2012-10-25 14:39:53 (ID: 63612) Report Abuse |
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Yeah, I'd mostly agree.
By the time most players get to the NFL they already have plenty of experience typically. But the Pros is a bigger stage - more pressure. To look once again at a QB, they will be throwing vs secondaries with a lot more talent than they ever saw in college. They need to feel pressure, shuffle around in the pocket, read and thread the needle like never b4. And this applies to all positions and means they need to step up to the NFL level and that can take time and "experience". And there's the entire process to simply get to the game which is no doubt quite a bit different to college. I suppose another discussion is does or should experience also include the college component. I also think all players in the YA should gain experience btw. |
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posted: 2012-10-25 15:37:26 (ID: 63617) Report Abuse |
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I'd say there are many QB's who run more when they have the youth but when they lose that youth/speed they learn to be better passers through experience. RGIII and Cam won't be running like they do in 8 years. Ask McNabb. Steve Young ran around like crazy early in his career (have you seen the long TD run of his without a helmet vs Minnesota? lol) but later on he was a passer.
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| posted: 2012-10-25 21:44:26 (ID: 63643) Report Abuse | |
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I definitely think that certain positions benefit from experience more than others. Perhaps its the same positions that require intelligence (QB etc.).
Steve SD Blitz |
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