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canonico
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posted: 2012-11-19 19:32:14 (ID: 69034) Report Abuse |
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Nogard wrote:
A statistic where you can see this will be good, but where have you got the information that a QB doesn´t feel hurry by blitzing? I didn't got any information Nogard, the OP is the one asking this: holmeboy wrote:
Do blitzing LBs cause hurries and incompletions? I have no clue if they do or not. And until we get statistical data showing us, I will still not know if LB's or SF's can cause hurries by blitzing, it might be writen down in the Fearsome special trait, but if you don't have "proof" that blitzing your LB is causing any effect on the QB even when he can't get to him, it's dificult to me atleast to send them blitzing. But this is a personal opinion.  |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-11-19 19:37:41 (ID: 69035) Report Abuse |
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canonico wrote:
Nobody is saying they should have more sacks then a DL, the OP is saying that maybe there should be more impact when blitzing a LB then there is now. Like Hurrying the QB which should cause Incompletions, since we don't have those stats, it's literaly impossible to evaluate if the LB blitz is causing any of those two the OP mentioned. Exactly. Although I don't know if there should be more of an impact because I don't know the impact atm. I've just looked at the statistics thread and you've already suggested hurries so until that comes in (hopefully next season) guess we won't know the impact... Although the fearsome trait suggests they do hurry so guess that answers that question! |
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| posted: 2012-11-19 22:05:29 (ID: 69043) Report Abuse | |
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pete wrote:
canonico wrote:
Didn't checked the entire list, but top 10 are all DL players, the OP is about LB's blitzing.  True, this was just the answer for blitzing in general I think there is a terminology issue...most of the time, Blitzing is referring to players that wouldn't normally be rushing the passer. Ergo DL would always be rushing the passer, but wouldn't be said to be blitzing. Steve SD Blitz |
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| posted: 2012-11-19 22:12:41 (ID: 69046) Report Abuse | |
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I think the other issue, above and beyond blitzing linebackers and safeties, is the contribution of the middle of the line to pass rushing/protection. It seems to me that in passing plays, the guards & center as well as defensive tackles & nose guards don't contribute much to the pass play at all.
In general, most sacks come from the edge rushers (DEs & OLBs), but some sacks come from the interior. More importantly, a lot of times, pressure from the interior collapses the pocket and flushes the QB to scramble - - and to hurry, throw on the run or get nabbed by an edge rushers as he fleas the pocket. Steve SD Blitz |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-11-19 22:33:04 (ID: 69049) Report Abuse |
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Shouldn't there be the scope for higher blitzing %s
For example in a 3-4, teams will normally blitz a lot of the time as if they blitz one LB then they are only sending the same number of players as a 4-3 sending no one on a blitz. |
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| posted: 2012-11-19 22:52:02 (ID: 69052) Report Abuse | |
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Yeah...I'm not sure why the limit is 15%. Seems like you should be able to dial up pressure whenever you want it.
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Buffalo
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posted: 2012-11-20 16:07:41 (ID: 69121) Report Abuse |
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If I remember right, than a blitzing LB has no chance to tackle the ball carrier on a running game, but why has the blitzer the chance for a tackle after a successfull pass?
13:41 1 and 10 to go on opp 48, Odell Kenyon (OC) snaps the ball to Turell Dyer (QB), Turell Dyer (QB) selected Carnell McGowan (WR/R) as target, Sulak Tongproh (DE/L) breaks through the line, Gee Sanya (OLB/L) goes for the blitz, this outer right pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Naris Chia (CB/L) missed his chance for a tackle, Gee Sanya (OLB/L) missed the tackle, Jaco Lobato (FS/L) missed the tackle, the result is a 48 yards pass (Pro set vs. 3-3-5) Is the OLB so fast that he can go for the blitz and than return to the backfield to try the tackle or was he so slow, that he went for the blitz but was still in the backfield after the completed pass?  Last edited on 2012-11-20 16:08:36 by Buffalo |
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| posted: 2012-11-20 16:24:16 (ID: 69125) Report Abuse | |
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Buffalo wrote:
If I remember right, than a blitzing LB has no chance to tackle the ball carrier on a running game, but why has the blitzer the chance for a tackle after a successfull pass? 13:41 1 and 10 to go on opp 48, Odell Kenyon (OC) snaps the ball to Turell Dyer (QB), Turell Dyer (QB) selected Carnell McGowan (WR/R) as target, Sulak Tongproh (DE/L) breaks through the line, Gee Sanya (OLB/L) goes for the blitz, this outer right pass goes to the receiver, who catches the ball, Naris Chia (CB/L) missed his chance for a tackle, Gee Sanya (OLB/L) missed the tackle, Jaco Lobato (FS/L) missed the tackle, the result is a 48 yards pass (Pro set vs. 3-3-5) Is the OLB so fast that he can go for the blitz and than return to the backfield to try the tackle or was he so slow, that he went for the blitz but was still in the backfield after the completed pass? You won't see that anymore in engine V2.2.1, since this is part of a fix there, and was uploaded last week...check the friendlies pls Last edited on 2012-11-20 16:24:56 by pete |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-11-25 09:03:40 (ID: 69993) Report Abuse |
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Nogard wrote:
my LB´s have all together 7 sacks at the moment. So blitzing works better with the new engine because teams pass more. But of course DE have more sacks because they blitz every play if they could break through. LB´s could only blitz in 15 % of the plays. So no surprise that LB´s have less sacks then DEs. And of the 15% , to my understanding its a random LB. So if you blitz max. Then each LB will only blitz 3.75% of the time in a 3-4. So on average each LB will blitz about once per 25 snaps. In an average NFL 3-4, a defence will send on average 1 extra blitzer per snap so they have 4 men rushing the pass. Really in a 3-4 you are only blitzing if you send 2 extra players (so 5 in total). This is why we need an answer on the Agility question which Pete seems to refuse to answer for some reason. Agility helps avoid blocks but as we can see by the stats above (LB will blitz once per 25 snaps, its not worth designing them as pass rushers, similarly I don't think they are ever blocked when not blitzing (someone correct me if this isn't right) so does Agility do anything for defenders other than avoid blockers. Because if it doesn't its relatively useless. Makes sense they would use Agility to avoid being juked out by a high agility RB but question needs to be answered. |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-11-25 10:07:05 (ID: 69999) Report Abuse |
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YEah they do get blocked:
10:27 2 and 10 to go on own 42, Norberto Breeden (OC) snaps the ball to Yong Muncy (QB), who hands off to Erick Mcdermott (HB/C), he starts running over the left end, Craig King (OLB/L) goes for the blitz, Noah Provost (TE/R) blocks, Scott Graham (DE/R) tackles Erick Mcdermott (HB/C), forward progress: no gain (I-formation vs. 3-4-4) Pete's also said that it is random. It'd be nice to be able to choose who you send out on a blitz because it'd allow for different player builds, although it's not that big of a deal. I do think 15% is a bit low. |
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