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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-11-25 10:35:52 (ID: 70001) Report Abuse |
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holmeboy wrote:
YEah they do get blocked: 10:27 2 and 10 to go on own 42, Norberto Breeden (OC) snaps the ball to Yong Muncy (QB), who hands off to Erick Mcdermott (HB/C), he starts running over the left end, Craig King (OLB/L) goes for the blitz, Noah Provost (TE/R) blocks, Scott Graham (DE/R) tackles Erick Mcdermott (HB/C), forward progress: no gain (I-formation vs. 3-4-4) Pete's also said that it is random. It'd be nice to be able to choose who you send out on a blitz because it'd allow for different player builds, although it's not that big of a deal. I do think 15% is a bit low. Yeah but that's on a blitz. Like I said if your LB at max setting are blitzing once every 25 times then its not worth worrying too much about. To re-phrase, do LB ever use Agilty on the 95% (or 100%) of time that they don't blitz. |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-11-25 10:50:34 (ID: 70002) Report Abuse |
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Sorry I thought you were asking if blitzing LBs got blocked.
Don't know about the agility but the fact that LBs and DBs didn't get the agility boost that most positions got in this years draft makes me think it doesn't matter other than avoiding blocks. Although my LBs are quite developed for their age so I probably will train agility for a year at some stage... Actually now I think of it. Re my original statement about lack of sacks, my LBs do have low enough agility so maybe they are getting through but just can't avoid the FB/TE because of that... Maybe Pete can confirm this? |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-11-25 13:13:31 (ID: 70021) Report Abuse |
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That would make sense re the low Agility but you shouldn't expect much from them anyway. They will blitz about 1/25 the times of DE so for every 25 sacks by a DE then you'd maybe expect 1 from a LB. Maybe a slight boost seeing as they are being blocked by a FB rather than an OT.
Info we are getting is very contradictory though. Purely based on the manual (all it does it avoid blocks, avoid tackles and avoid sacks), Agility is useless for CB and close to useless for LB and S. But we are hearing its the most under-valued skill which doesn't make sense as QB, RB, WR already have agility. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-11-25 13:29:09 (ID: 70022) Report Abuse |
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WRs make moves to get open, so CB agility no doubt goes hand in hand with POS for a CB to keep on a WR. Same for SFs and LBs.
To me, it's a big hint that Agility is a "physical" and thus relevent to all. |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-11-25 13:56:29 (ID: 70025) Report Abuse |
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Agreed 100%
And same with tackling, agility should help tackle an agile ball carrier. But we don't see the game so have to go with the manual. Really Pete should answer this - the whole skills section of the manual needs looking at. |
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| posted: 2012-11-25 14:25:12 (ID: 70028) Report Abuse | |
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mikemike778 wrote:
Agreed 100% And same with tackling, agility should help tackle an agile ball carrier. But we don't see the game so have to go with the manual. Really Pete should answer this - the whole skills section of the manual needs looking at. I had a look at it. I think it is as it should be. It seems this is not your opinion, so I ask you 2 questions: If Agility would matter for defense players on tackling, how should the Agility-Part of the manual should be? If Agility does not matter for defense players on tackling, how should the Agility-Part of the manual should be? |
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Buffalo
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posted: 2012-11-25 14:56:20 (ID: 70031) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
If Agility would matter for defense players on tackling, how should the Agility-Part of the manual should be? If Agility does not matter for defense players on tackling, how should the Agility-Part of the manual should be? 1.) Agility helps carrying the ball and avoiding tackles and blocks and sacks as well as tackling the ball carrier. 2.) Agility helps carrying the ball and avoiding tackles and blocks and sacks. |
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| posted: 2012-11-25 14:57:53 (ID: 70032) Report Abuse | |
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Buffalo wrote:
Nice try, Buffalo...but I would like to hear the answer of a native speaker, and the OP as wellpete wrote:
If Agility would matter for defense players on tackling, how should the Agility-Part of the manual should be? If Agility does not matter for defense players on tackling, how should the Agility-Part of the manual should be? 1.) Agility helps carrying the ball and avoiding tackles and blocks and sacks as well as tackling the ball carrier. 2.) Agility helps carrying the ball and avoiding tackles and blocks and sacks. |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2012-11-25 15:52:56 (ID: 70039) Report Abuse |
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I think the manual is fine too. Only problem I've had with it was footwork but that has been corrected.
From the manual, draftees and discussions on the forums I don't think that agility matters for tackling. One of my LBs has 100% tackling (41/0). Obviously its a small sample but he has agility 5.6. Re CBs etc missing loads of tackles you can't expect a player with ~25 tackling to complete 100%, he's obviously going to miss some. Its also important to know that strength helps make tackles too and a lot of CBs have <40 str. My CBs for example: Karl Flynn 86% success rate. STR 33.6, TCK 28.9, AGI 7.7 Serif Cvijic 59.3% success rate. STR 25.3, TCK 20.8, AGI 12.4 Fwiw I actually think Karl Fynn is completing too many tackles given his skills. Of course the opponents WR plays a big part too. In the OP I was asking if blitzing LBs cause hurries and incompletions lol. Because I felt if they don't then the risk-reward wasn't worth sending them on a blitz. I mentioned agility above because I thought that maybe it was my player build was the problem. |
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mikemike778
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posted: 2012-11-25 18:19:41 (ID: 70047) Report Abuse |
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The problem is with the language:
Agility helps carrying the ball and avoiding tackles and blocks and sacks As an English born English speaker this reads that Agility helps carry the ball and avoid the tackles, avoid blocks and avoid sacks. Now if this is what you mean then that's sort of fine although does make the whole agility being the most under-rated skill a bit nonsense as it would mean it only really helps QB, DL and ball carriers (primarily RB). I suspect the blocks bit was meant to mean it helps make blocks as well but it doesn't read like that. OK, how I'd phrase it and I'm assuming here that it helps Blocking seeing as its part of the Pass Blocker trait and is trained by the OL AC. I'm also assuming it isn't used at all in coverage as there is no indication anywhere that it is. 1. Agility helps with the following: -Carrying the football and avoiding tackles -Tackling the ball carrier -Avoiding sacks -Blocking and avoiding blocks 1. Agility helps with the following: -Carrying the football and avoiding tackles -Avoiding sacks -Blocking and avoiding blocks If I'm wrong and it doesn't help with blocking then Re-word the last line to just Avoiding blocks. |
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