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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2012-11-29 23:17:38 (ID: 70624) Report Abuse |
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I don't know about you guys.
But why does it seem that the 533 and the 52 is still good pass defense. Yes there are more big plays on these defense but i still don't see how a team runs a 5-2 all game against a 4wr shot gun and limit a team to less than a 3yd avg on the pass. Just the match up alone does make since. I do have to say that the standard defense 3-4 and 4-3 are much better since the engine change but could use some work on the run so lets hear your all thoughts and complaints |
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E Logic
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posted: 2012-11-30 20:52:40 (ID: 70685) Report Abuse |
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i find the 5-2 is a poor formation all round. i find that if the run goes to either flank then there is usually a fairly big run. as for the passing game i think 5-3-3 is about right. its good against the run and pretty good against the pass altho running a big risk of long TD.
And I find the 4-3-4 and 3-4-4 play about right Last edited on 2012-11-30 20:55:46 by E Logic |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-11-30 21:13:44 (ID: 70693) Report Abuse |
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andrew2scott2 wrote:
I don't know about you guys. But why does it seem that the 533 and the 52 is still good pass defense. Yes there are more big plays on these defense but i still don't see how a team runs a 5-2 all game against a 4wr shot gun and limit a team to less than a 3yd avg on the pass. Just the match up alone does make since. I do have to say that the standard defense 3-4 and 4-3 are much better since the engine change but could use some work on the run so lets hear your all thoughts and complaints I think it varies depending on the pass depth selection. I see nothing wrong with the 5-2 vs medium and long passes. Short passes would be vulnerable though. That is my thought about it using logic, with the engine I'm not sure. The 5-3-3 really should just be ok vs the run but the fb doesn't block for the rb and that makes the 5-3-3 better than it should be. Against the pass for short distance I can see it as ok but for long it would be weak. |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2012-11-30 22:50:36 (ID: 70702) Report Abuse |
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my thing is when the completion rating is still less than 50% agisnt the 5-2 or 533 versus the shot gun something is wrong.
Because if ever one is line up as they should be then the slot WR in the 4 wr shotgun are uncovered simple |
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athos
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posted: 2012-11-30 23:06:31 (ID: 70705) Report Abuse |
 andrew2scott2 wrote:
my thing is when the completion rating is still less than 50% agisnt the 5-2 or 533 versus the shot gun something is wrong. Because if ever one is line up as they should be then the slot WR in the 4 wr shotgun are uncovered simple Please forgive me - I don't really know about the finer 'ins and outs' - but would they no be covered because of the zone pass defence believed to be prevelant in the engine? Last edited on 2012-11-30 23:07:46 by athos |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2012-12-01 00:19:21 (ID: 70706) Report Abuse |
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Zone defense is the how the defense works.
Even if it was man to man. The 5 2 has 4 in the secondary. |
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athos
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posted: 2012-12-01 08:32:43 (ID: 70719) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
Zone defense is the how the defense works. Even if it was man to man. The 5 2 has 4 in the secondary. And (to my non-football brain) could the 5-3 look efficient against the S4WR if the Offence is SHORT passing, because when you add in the 3 LB's you have 6 men in Pass coverage? Especially if its a good defence versus an average offense, and in particular if your one and only Safety is smart, fast and has good vision as he will have time to position himself well in case the first or possibly second tackle is missed? My (very) limited perception believes that 5-3 is asking for trouble against the S4WR when it is a Deep Pass. Then the LB's zone is not part of the equation and suddenly you have 3 DB's protecting the deep field with 4 potentially lethal receivers running around in it. And if you have decided to Blitz your one and only Safety, all you are doing is rolling the odds that the the QB overthrows, the WR cannot make the catch, or all the action happens within a couple of yards of your very over-extended CB? Or have I revealed just a small part of why I am not successful in this game?!  Last edited on 2012-12-01 08:48:34 by athos |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-12-01 08:46:25 (ID: 70720) Report Abuse |
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athos wrote:
Therefore to my non-football brain, could the 5-3 could look efficient against the S4WR if the Offence is SHORT passing, because when you add in the 3 LB's you have 6 men in Pass coverage? Especially if its a good defence versus an average offense, and in particular if your one and only Safety is smart, fast and has good vision as he will have time to position himself well in case the first or possibly second tackle is missed? A typical D has 7 or 8 potential pass defenders. Although the 5-3 may have some success vs short passing (and it does), every time someone misses a coverage or tackle, the chances of a SF being around is remote. That's why they call them "safeties"! 
You typically want 1 CB for every WR and 2 SFs unless you are specifically playing the run. And a LB for every TE of course - sometimes this is a SF's job though, especially SS. Come to think of it, time to make a new formation suggestion!  |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2012-12-01 17:11:27 (ID: 70762) Report Abuse |
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5-2-4 should be just about bearable if passrushing was more effective.
What about the 4-2-5? Last edited on 2012-12-01 17:11:43 by JonnyP |
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dark_wing
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posted: 2012-12-02 15:39:23 (ID: 70843) Report Abuse |
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JonnyP wrote:
5-2-4 should be just about bearable if passrushing was more effective. What about the 4-2-5? 4-2 Nickel? |
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