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espen
posted: 2012-12-01 09:40:57 (ID: 70728) Report Abuse
I thought that the creation of 3.x was important to keep more managers playing, and I still do. What worries me is in what league new teams decide to join. As we all know all 3.x leagues are on the same level. For those of you playing in 1.1 and might have forgotten teams from 3.1&3.2 goes to 2.1, and 3.3&3.4 joins 2.2.

With bot flush after this season all 2.1 leagues, will be filled up, and except Monarchs where 2.1 currently has 22 bots and 2.2 has 0 , all 2.2 leagues will have ~10-14 bots.

Is there someway to avoid that most of the new managers join 3.1?

Current distribution of teams:
Admirals 2.1 - 11 bots
Admirals 2.2 - 13 bots
Admirals 3.1 - 13 teams
Admirals 3.2 - 7 teams
Admirals 3.3 - 2 teams
Admirals 3.4 - 1 team
Claymore 2.1 - 20 bots
Claymore 2.2 - 18 bots
Claymore 3.1 - 16 teams
Claymore 3.2 - 6 teams
Claymore 3.3 - 2 teams
Claymore 3.4 - 3 teams
Dragons 2.1 - 11 bots
Dragons 2.2 - 18 bots
Dragons 3.1 - 19 teams
Dragons 3.2 - 12 teams
Dragons 3.3 - 2 teams
Dragons 3.4 - 6 teams
Fire 2.1 - 14 bots
Fire 2.2 - 18 bots
Fire 3.1 - 13 teams
Fire 3.2 - 7 teams
Fire 3.3 - 2 teams
Fire 3.4 - 6 teams
Galaxy 2.1 - 13 bots
Galaxy 2.2 - 18 bots
Galaxy 3.1 - 17 teams
Galaxy 3.2 - 4 teams
Galaxy 3.3 - 3 teams
Galaxy 3.4 - 6 teams
Monarchs 2.1 - 22 bots
Monarchs 2.2 - 0 bots
Monarchs 3.1 - 17 teams
Monarchs 3.2 - 3 teams
Monarchs 3.3 - 1 team
Monarchs 3.4 - 2 teams
Sea Devils 2.1 - 17 bots
Sea Devils 2.2 - 16 bots
Sea Devils 3.1 - 21 teams
Sea Devils 3.2 - 2 teams
Sea Devils 3.3 - 0 teams
Sea Devils 3.4 - 3 teams
Thunder 2.1 - 14 bots
Thunder 2.2 - 21 bots
Thunder 3.1 - 16 teams
Thunder 3.2 - 6 teams
Thunder 3.3 - 3 teams
Thunder 3.4 - 2 teams

Last edited on 2012-12-01 12:13:08 by espen

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Fummer
posted: 2012-12-01 09:59:43 (ID: 70729) Report Abuse
I would suggest some way of random botflush. meaning, after normal relegation, teams from 3.1-4 are randomly placed in 2.1 and 2.2. That should keep both leagues evenly filled.

I can understand people joining the game would want to play in a human league instead of a bot league.
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E Logic
posted: 2012-12-01 10:15:55 (ID: 70732) Report Abuse
It would be good to find a solution to distribute the human players more evenly but weather its possible or not is another question.

Prehaps have all the promoted teams randomly allocated into 2.1 or 2.2.
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hosh13
posted: 2012-12-01 12:11:36 (ID: 70744) Report Abuse
E Logic wrote:
Prehaps have all the promoted teams randomly allocated into 2.1 or 2.2.


Definitely. I think bot flush should be mandatory, not an option. Based on some sort of universal rank.
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sneaky_minotaur
posted: 2012-12-01 19:44:34 (ID: 70779) Report Abuse
espen wrote:
Is there someway to avoid that most of the new managers join 3.1?


New managers should start in 3.x, that should not change.

Over time this should all work itself out and concentrate human players in the higher leagues. New owners get a chance to start in a 3.x league and learn the ropes before being thrown to the wolves.

This will likely take a few seasons however so it might not be a bad idea to make bot flush (at least from 3.x to 2.x) mandatory. It would speed the process up a lot if nothing else.

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malkarma
posted: 2012-12-01 23:03:48 (ID: 70798) Report Abuse
hosh13 wrote:
E Logic wrote:
Prehaps have all the promoted teams randomly allocated into 2.1 or 2.2.


Definitely. I think bot flush should be mandatory, not an option. Based on some sort of universal rank.


I agree with this ...as long as bot flush will be banned for teams in 1.1 leagues.
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hosh13
posted: 2012-12-02 03:22:24 (ID: 70806) Report Abuse
malkarma wrote:
I agree with this ...as long as bot flush will be banned for teams in 1.1 leagues.


Are you saying Div 2 teams shouldn't be able to get bot-flushed to div 1 or...............................?
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posted: 2012-12-02 17:19:07 (ID: 70855) Report Abuse
Just for your information

I had a review on the process of selecting a team, and made some changes

http://redzoneaction.org/football/docs/how_to_register_a_team_in_redzoneaction_org.pdf

The preselected league is the one with the most managers in, unless there was a referalid given, and the inviting managers league has a free spot.

Why? I respect your wish for balanced divisions, but I am more interested in providing real competition for new managersm and therefore we send thes managers to the most filled region / league / division by default.

Btw: the relation of bots per league has nothing to do with the botflush, this botflush is working different here.
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espen
posted: 2012-12-02 20:01:26 (ID: 70864) Report Abuse
That's what I was thinking about Pete, and not the botflush process.

I totally understand the way you're thinking, but would it be possible to prioritize 3.3 or 3.4 before 3.2, when 3.1 is filled up?

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posted: 2012-12-02 20:10:17 (ID: 70865) Report Abuse
We cannot have two criterias...at least it makes no sense from the database point of view. If we stick with the number of managers, there cannot be another sort criteria at the same time that would affect the thing somehow
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