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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-05 16:54:01 (ID: 94794) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
I know it for sure based on NCAA rules...A Sack is counted as a Tackle. If that tackle goes for negative Yards...it is a TFL. But you are trying to base your game on the NFL (I think), so sorry, but that makes little sense Pete. pete wrote:I won't change that until someone points me to a page with rules were it tells different
I'm quite sure that any Tackle is an unnofficial NFL stat, so you won't have any official page with a rule that states what you want Pete. But if you just look at some of the stats provided out there you will realize that Sacks don't count as TFL as you can see players with Sacks and without any TFL. Just common sense in this case. Check the Fangraphs page to see this:  Source: http://i44.tinypic.com/33p9eg6.png Naturaly there are players with TFL that have Sacks as it shows in that snapshot, but as you can see, there are players with Sacks and with no TFL credited for. And this site is (for me) one of the most credible statistical websites you can consult with. Maybe you should get in touch with them and ask Pete. |
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| posted: 2013-05-05 16:59:21 (ID: 94796) Report Abuse | |
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canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
I know it for sure based on NCAA rules...A Sack is counted as a Tackle. If that tackle goes for negative Yards...it is a TFL. But you are trying to base your game on the NFL (I think), so sorry, but that makes little sense Pete. You misunderstood! I am not sure for NFL ruling, but I am sure for NCAA. Nothing more I want to tell. So point me to NFL rules where it says Sacks are no TFL, and I will change it |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-05 17:09:48 (ID: 94799) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
I know it for sure based on NCAA rules...A Sack is counted as a Tackle. If that tackle goes for negative Yards...it is a TFL. But you are trying to base your game on the NFL (I think), so sorry, but that makes little sense Pete. You misunderstood! I am not sure for NFL ruling, but I am sure for NCAA. Nothing more I want to tell. So point me to NFL rules where it says Sacks are no TFL, and I will change it Did you completely ignored the rest of my post?!?! |
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| posted: 2013-05-05 17:12:33 (ID: 94801) Report Abuse | |
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canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
I know it for sure based on NCAA rules...A Sack is counted as a Tackle. If that tackle goes for negative Yards...it is a TFL. But you are trying to base your game on the NFL (I think), so sorry, but that makes little sense Pete. You misunderstood! I am not sure for NFL ruling, but I am sure for NCAA. Nothing more I want to tell. So point me to NFL rules where it says Sacks are no TFL, and I will change it Did you completely ignored the rest of my post?!?! No, but I cannot change the behavior due a "fanpage", don't get me wrong here... |
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| posted: 2013-05-05 17:16:45 (ID: 94804) Report Abuse | |
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I had a short google session.
I was not able to get exact knowledge...but you find many answers that state that a sack is a tackle. That means - since it is a tackle for loss, it should count as a tackle for loss, until we find evidence in the NFL ruling |
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Lohengrin
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posted: 2013-05-05 17:18:43 (ID: 94805) Report Abuse |
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In the NFL, a TFL is only on a running play - a sack is not a TFL
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| posted: 2013-05-05 17:20:36 (ID: 94806) Report Abuse | |
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Could you provide a rule for this, please? It is not that I don't believe it. But I would like not to do the whole work only to recognize that is was wrong
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preachie
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posted: 2013-05-05 17:21:16 (ID: 94807) Report Abuse |
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What I found so far, is that a sack does not to be a tackle:
A quarterback does not have to be tackled and brought to the ground for the play to be a sack. Once the quarterback is in the "grasp and control" of a defensive player, the referee is to blow his whistle and stop the play. Whoever had the quarterback under his control gets the sack. Read more: Sack Rules of the NFL | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6736379_sack-rules-nfl.html#ixzz2SRJn9UHF So you can get a sack without making a tackle, but when the QB is tackled it would be a sack, a tackle and a tackle for loss. |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-05 17:22:07 (ID: 94808) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
canonico wrote:
pete wrote:
I know it for sure based on NCAA rules...A Sack is counted as a Tackle. If that tackle goes for negative Yards...it is a TFL. But you are trying to base your game on the NFL (I think), so sorry, but that makes little sense Pete. You misunderstood! I am not sure for NFL ruling, but I am sure for NCAA. Nothing more I want to tell. So point me to NFL rules where it says Sacks are no TFL, and I will change it Did you completely ignored the rest of my post?!?! No, but I cannot change the behavior due a "fanpage", don't get me wrong here... OMG Pete, you are missing the point. It's not just a "Fanpage"!! It's probably the most accurate and advanced statistical website there is, but that too is besides the point. It's just obvious that a Sack does not count as a TFL. And like I also wrote in that post, Tackles are an Unofficial stat for the NFL, meaning there is no ruling on it. So what you're asking for nobody can find because it doesn't exist. All you have is pages on the Wiki or on the Ehow like it was posted previously, and..Common Sense! I mean, go through internet forums about this subgect and see other's opinions on it, I've done that just to be sure, and yea, when a Sack takes place it's "just" a Sack, not a TFL, they are two diferent things. Right here a good definition I found: And no it's not official because it's not a official stat (tackling that is). In college sacks count towards running yardage so any tackle of the QB behind the line of scrimmage is a sack. In the pro's a sack is counted against the passing game, whereas a designed run is toward running statistics. So the official score keeper decides if it's a designed run or if it was a passing play and hence a sack or a TFL. I'm not trying to give yo more work for the sake of it Pete. Just trying to improve the statistical data of RZA. |
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| posted: 2013-05-05 17:23:05 (ID: 94809) Report Abuse | |
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@Preachie
 Nice!
That means the current behavior is somehow right, since the engine is working on tackle-based sacks only Last edited on 2013-05-05 17:27:23 by pete |
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