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preachie
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:07:40 (ID: 94833) Report Abuse |
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Well, as I quote earlier
A quarterback does not have to be tackled and brought to the ground for the play to be a sack. Once the quarterback is in the "grasp and control" of a defensive player, the referee is to blow his whistle and stop the play. Whoever had the quarterback under his control gets the sack. So a sack can be cause: by a tackle of the QB by "controlling" the QB So it's normal that there are players with sacks without TFL recorded. Since in RZA there are only tackles to sack a QB yet, in my opinion it is correct that a sack is also a TFL here. However, since there seems to be no official ruling, this discussion won't lead to clear result I guess  |
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sh8888
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:13:06 (ID: 94834) Report Abuse |
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preachie wrote:
However, since there seems to be no official ruling, this discussion won't lead to clear result I guess send an Email to Roger Goodell, tell him that 800+ RZA Managers need him to make a definitive decision  |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:17:16 (ID: 94836) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
preachie wrote:
However, since there seems to be no official ruling, this discussion won't lead to clear result I guess send an Email to Roger Goodell, tell him that 800+ RZA Managers need him to make a definitive decision 
If nico writes it in crayon as usual he might even answer  |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:18:03 (ID: 94837) Report Abuse |
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preachie wrote:
Well, as I quote earlier A quarterback does not have to be tackled and brought to the ground for the play to be a sack. Once the quarterback is in the "grasp and control" of a defensive player, the referee is to blow his whistle and stop the play. Whoever had the quarterback under his control gets the sack. So a sack can be cause: by a tackle of the QB by "controlling" the QB So it's normal that there are players with sacks without TFL recorded. Psst, you did read that he caused a fumble in that play, yes? I think it's safe to say that the Ref didn't blow any whistle and that Dalton got knocked down preety hard... preachie wrote:Since in RZA there are only tackles to sack a QB yet, in my opinion it is correct that a sack is also a TFL here.
However, since there seems to be no official ruling, this discussion won't lead to clear result I guess That's unfortunate, but I already presented my case, I could present countless players with no TFL yet with Sacks recorded. But it's to no avail. Carry on. |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:24:57 (ID: 94840) Report Abuse |
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preachie wrote:
Well, as I quote earlier A quarterback does not have to be tackled and brought to the ground for the play to be a sack. Once the quarterback is in the "grasp and control" of a defensive player, the referee is to blow his whistle and stop the play. Whoever had the quarterback under his control gets the sack. So a sack can be cause: by a tackle of the QB by "controlling" the QB So it's normal that there are players with sacks without TFL recorded. Since in RZA there are only tackles to sack a QB yet, in my opinion it is correct that a sack is also a TFL here. However, since there seems to be no official ruling, this discussion won't lead to clear result I guess Just to remove any doubts. Here's the Video of the Sack with no TFL recorded. |
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preachie
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:33:51 (ID: 94841) Report Abuse |
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I already seen the video and I agree that this definitively looks like a tackle, but it's not a TFL since the ball was not dead at the spot of the tackle because of the fumble (I will always find an excuse :baeh
Seriously, no, I have no clue how they judge all those situations, when it's a sack, when it's a sack with TFL... And for that I think it's good as it is here, otherwise it would be too complicated to explain when it will be recorded only as sack and when as sack and TFL (and as we can see in the Eagles - Panthers game, there is a sack wich is also recorded as TFL, at least in the personal stats of Mike Patterson) |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:38:38 (ID: 94842) Report Abuse |
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preachie wrote:
I already seen the video and I agree that this definitively looks like a tackle, but it's not a TFL since the ball was not dead at the spot of the tackle because of the fumble (I will always find an excuse :baeh
Seriously, no, I have no clue how they judge all those situations, when it's a sack, when it's a sack with TFL... And for that I think it's good as it is here, otherwise it would be too complicated to explain when it will be recorded only as sack and when as sack and TFL (and as we can see in the Eagles - Panthers game, there is a sack wich is also recorded as TFL, at least in the personal stats of Mike Patterson) Yep, it's because it's not an official stat hence teams track tackles as they please. And that's why (among other things) I prefer to look at Fangraphs for the stats.
Don't know if it shows but I kinda like stats...  |
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scottishbronco
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posted: 2013-05-05 19:49:48 (ID: 94847) Report Abuse |
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Just to throw a spanner in the works...you can't sack without attempting a tackle on the QB
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| posted: 2013-05-05 21:07:18 (ID: 94872) Report Abuse | |
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scottishbronco wrote:
Just to throw a spanner in the works...you can't sack without attempting a tackle on the QB Nice one, that was really useful |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-06 03:31:40 (ID: 94919) Report Abuse |
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preachie wrote:
So a sack can be cause: by a tackle of the QB by "controlling" the QB You do realize, of course, that this applies to all players? Any player can be held up, have his forward progress stopped, and the play whistled dead by the officials. |
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