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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-06 03:39:10 (ID: 94920) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
What is so wrong with looking at the number of sacks accumulated and also the number of TFLs then deducting one from the other. So I look over the stats and see 1TFL and 1 Sack. Does that mean 1 TFL and 1 Sack or is it both the same thing? Nothing stupid about that? 
As far as what the NFL does, let's not forget that until recently if a receiver was hit in mid air and came down out of bounds that there was onus on the officials to decide if he would have come down in bounds or not (obviously, somewhere in history, an NFL big wig had a son playing WR). So let's not put the NFL on too much of a pedestal. And there's still plenty of idiots in the NFL - speaking of tackle rules.  |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-20 04:16:24 (ID: 96258) Report Abuse |
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I'm a bit late to the party but seeing it this way might help (and it makes RZA current stats work fine)
When a player is stopped the defender gets a tackle. If this tackle happened behind the LOS it's counted as a tackle AND a tackle for a loss. If the tackled player was the QB it's counted as a tackle AND a tackle for a loss AND a sack. So sacks are just a specific kind of TFL, ones where the ball carrier was the QB. Saying that sacks shouldn't count as TFL is counter intuitive to me since a sack is by definition a loss of yardage for the offense so if a sack is a tackle and there's a loss of yardage why shouldn't it count as a TFL? Plus, you can easily calculate the number of TFL that weren't sacks by deducting the number of sacks from the number of TFL anyway so I really don't see what the suggested change would add. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-20 07:38:42 (ID: 96274) Report Abuse |
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Meitheisman wrote:
Saying that sacks shouldn't count as TFL is counter intuitive to me since a sack is by definition a loss of yardage for the offense so if a sack is a tackle and there's a loss of yardage why shouldn't it count as a TFL? Because a Sack is a Sack and a TFL is a TFL. Thus the 2 separate expressions. And this is the simple fact lost on many. How about we get a conversation going about an Intercept being the same as a broken up pass? |
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Fummer
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posted: 2013-05-20 09:16:18 (ID: 96277) Report Abuse |
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All thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs. So when you count fingers you count the thumbs to, right?
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Fummer wrote:
nice one All thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs. So when you count fingers you count the thumbs to, right?  |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-20 10:02:03 (ID: 96282) Report Abuse |
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Fummer wrote:
All thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs. So when you count fingers you count the thumbs to, right? Exactly the way I see it, thanks. It's like when you count Catches and Receiving TDs if you want, all Receiving TDs are Catches but not all Catches are Receiving TDs... Or a simpler non-football example... Sydney and Australia are 2 different things but everything in Sydney also happens to be in Australia, right? |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-20 14:26:18 (ID: 96299) Report Abuse |
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So then you lot are saying that a sack should also count as a TFL?
So you argue for confusion? You must all be sons of democracy!  |
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Turtlemania
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posted: 2013-05-20 14:54:14 (ID: 96302) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
You must all be sons of democracy! So is America too! In NFL a Sack also is as TFL when look is statistic |
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Turtlemania wrote:
...and that means it should count as tackle too, imohosh13 wrote:
You must all be sons of democracy! So is America too! In NFL a Sack also is as TFL when look is statistic |
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Turtlemania
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posted: 2013-05-20 15:03:37 (ID: 96304) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Turtlemania wrote:
...and that means it should count as tackle too, imohosh13 wrote:
You must all be sons of democracy! So is America too! In NFL a Sack also is as TFL when look is statistic For sure it has to be so, if not, then it should be change for this There is more such "double counts", example also a QB throw interception is also count for incomplete pass Last edited on 2013-05-20 15:05:26 by Turtlemania |
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