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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-20 16:22:45 (ID: 96316) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
In NFL a Sack also is as TFL when look is statistic If you had read the whole thread you would have known that that is not a fact. As Preachie and myself found out after doing some leg work. Some seems to be counted as such and some are not. Read the thread, you will get more knowledge on it. I'm done with this discusion tho, for me a Tackle for a Loss is an independent statistic, and so is a Sack. But that doens't affect what I am getting out of RZA. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-21 00:50:28 (ID: 96388) Report Abuse |
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Out of curiosity how would you define a tackle for a loss Canico?
To me it would be: "The defender stops the ball carrier before the line of scrimmage." Presumably for you it would be: "The defender stops the ball carrier before the line of scrimmage, except if the ball carrier is a QB attempting a pass."? |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-21 00:58:40 (ID: 96390) Report Abuse |
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Meitheisman wrote:
Out of curiosity how would you define a tackle for a loss Canico? To me it would be: "The defender stops the ball carrier before the line of scrimmage." Presumably for you it would be: "The defender stops the ball carrier before the line of scrimmage, except if the ball carrier is a QB attempting a pass."? canonico wrote:
Right here a good definition I found: And no it's not official because it's not a official stat (tackling that is). In college sacks count towards running yardage so any tackle of the QB behind the line of scrimmage is a sack. In the pro's a sack is counted against the passing game, whereas a designed run is toward running statistics. So the official score keeper decides if it's a designed run or if it was a passing play and hence a sack or a TFL. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-21 02:30:47 (ID: 96394) Report Abuse |
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Fair enough, thanks for the response.
To me the problem with defining it the way you did is that it leaves room for interpretation... How do you know for sure if it was a designed run or not? With the definition I posted above the advantage is that there's no room for interpretation, you're either tackled behind the LOS or you're not, period. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-21 02:41:04 (ID: 96395) Report Abuse |
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Turtlemania wrote:
hosh13 wrote:
You must all be sons of democracy!  So is America too! In NFL a Sack also is as TFL when look is statistic Can you point me to the official TFL stat at NFL.com? There are tackles, assists and sacks - end of story. In any case I don't care. The fact remains that this stat here at RZA is meaningless unless it is specifically pointed out that a sack is also a TFL. Otherwise it simply dawns on one with time that you never get more sacks than TFL so......................... |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-21 03:48:48 (ID: 96402) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:The fact remains that this stat here at RZA is meaningless unless it is specifically pointed out that a sack is also a TFL.
That's pretty much what Pete said on page 2 of this thread. "I know it for sure based on NCAA rules...A Sack is counted as a Tackle. If that tackle goes for negative Yards...it is a TFL." So, in RZA, every sack also counts as a TFL. If you want to calculate the number of times a defender managed to tackled a player other than a QB behind the line of scrimmage simply deduct the number or sacks from the number of TFL. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-21 10:55:57 (ID: 96418) Report Abuse |
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Meitheisman wrote:
If you want to calculate the number of times a defender managed to tackled a player other than a QB behind the line of scrimmage simply deduct the number or sacks from the number of TFL. Sure, if you know that's how it works in the first place. And to know that you can - a/ realize over time that there are never more sacks than TFL (pathetic) b/ go thru the entire match results (tedious) c/ continue to have noobs cluttering up the forums with threads like this (hopeless) |
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| posted: 2013-05-21 10:58:59 (ID: 96420) Report Abuse | |
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This sums it up quite well...the game is then pathetic, tedious and hopeless...
could be worse  |
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sh8888
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posted: 2013-05-21 11:07:54 (ID: 96422) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
This sums it up quite well...the game is then pathetic, tedious and hopeless... Bookmarked that .... might be a very useful quote sometime in the Future  |
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| posted: 2013-05-21 11:17:23 (ID: 96423) Report Abuse | |
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sh8888 wrote:
pete wrote:
This sums it up quite well...the game is then pathetic, tedious and hopeless... Bookmarked that .... might be a very useful quote sometime in the Future ...priceless |
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