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devastations
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posted: 2013-01-30 23:57:07 (ID: 79723) Report Abuse |
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sneaky_minotaur
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posted: 2013-01-30 23:58:46 (ID: 79724) Report Abuse |
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Nogard wrote:
A proxy bid system is a robot bid system too. What does it mean if you can put a highest hidden bid and dont be online? For me this means the richest teams who could bid the most money will allways win the bidwars of the best players. Now you need to be online for the bid. This isn´t the best for the guys who couldn´t be online but it is a chance too for teams with less money in the bank to get such a player, cause maybe the guys with the big money couldn´t be online. When you don´t need to be online you never have this chance as a team with a smaller budget because the big money teams (mostly the teams be here from season 1 and 2) would place a high bid which will be difficult for others to outbid. For me this will only advantage the few of the richest teams but disadvantage the teams in the middle class. Man I really did not want to get back into this issue so soon but... As far as I can tell, that is the heart of the issue right there. Many of the people who don't like "robot" bids seem to list something like this as their primary complaint about proxy bidding. People think proxy bid systems favor the rich and that other systems don't. I frankly do not understand this position. Let's get one thing clear: There are NO bargains for high quality draft players. Really, there are no bargains for top tier players period. New teams do not get high quality draft picks for low prices under the current system. They will not get them for low prices under a proxy, or any other system. The best players will demand high prices no matter what system is in place. Please, let's all be clear on that. Rich teams have the advantage now, they would have the advantage with a proxy bid system, and they would have a huge advantage with a blind bidding system. It's an auction, money will (and should) win! Similarly, there will be bargains for other players under ANY of the systems discussed. YES - there absolutely will still be bargains for second and lower tier players under a proxy system. Just like there are bargains for those players now. In this regard there will be no difference between the two systems. I absolutely do not understand why people seem to say that proxy bidding means "the managers with money will win all the auctions" like its a problem AND like it's not already the way the world works (or that it wouldn't be even worse under a blind bid system). The managers with money already DO win the best auctions and that's a GOOD THING. People, you can't have your cake and eat it too! You want people to be able to win auctions offline? Then some form of proxy bidding is the easy answer. Let's also be clear that any changes to the current system to make bid wars shorter, will also heavily favor the richest teams! The only way managers with less money can get a bargain on a player over a manager with more money is if the guy with less money drags the auction out. If the guy with less money can make it take long enough the guy with more money might run out of time and give up. THAT is the only way people are getting bargains (or just that the guy with money can't be online at all). So if you make bidding wars shorter... you are favoring the guy with more money. It's fine if people don't like a particular system, but let's not blame just one system for the flaws inherent in any system which seeks to exchange a currency for a thing of value. (Side Note: I like the idea of shortening the time from 2 minutes to 1 minute for the current system, as well as increasing the minimum bid increment as the price goes higher. Both would be very nice small steps that could be taken with the current system to try and make it a little better). |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2013-01-31 00:08:42 (ID: 79725) Report Abuse |
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sneaky_minotaur wrote:
Let's get one thing clear: There are NO bargains for high quality draft players. Really, there are no bargains for top tier players period. Depending on the time of day you can get draft QBs going for ~10mil. I've seen this happen on 3 occasions now. They're are obviously others that I have miss too. As for bargains: Stepan Katerynchuk. I got him for 600k. I won't ask you to use a scout report so: spd 42.5 vis 39.6 str 38.6 pass 32.8 agil 30.2 Int is only 38.7 which is low for a QB but he's only 24 and went for 600k. sneaky_minotaur wrote:
(Side Note: I like the idea of shortening the time from 2 minutes to 1 minute for the current system, as well as increasing the minimum bid increment as the price goes higher. Both would be very nice small steps that could be taken with the current system to try and make it a little better).  |
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sneaky_minotaur
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posted: 2013-01-31 00:17:52 (ID: 79731) Report Abuse |
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A good Qb but not exactly a top tier guy.
There is no reason to believe that similar players wouldn't occasionally still fall through the cracks and go for bargain prices under a proxy system. Plus the proxy system might be more fair to sellers. The price of qb's might be based on their stats instead of what time they are listed.  |
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Toni Gorilla
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posted: 2013-01-31 00:31:26 (ID: 79736) Report Abuse |
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sneaky_minotaur wrote:
Let's get one thing clear: There are NO bargains for high quality draft players. Really, there are no bargains for top tier players period. Bang on right. That's what I think. There may the odd exception, but committed managers will put their alarms at ANY time to get their target man. And what's the problem with robot bidding anyway? The main feature of this game (i.e. the games) are automatic, too. You come home, and the game is played. Done. Everything is robot here. "Live" bidding being the only exception. Last edited on 2013-01-31 00:32:14 by Toni Gorilla |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2013-01-31 00:42:07 (ID: 79738) Report Abuse |
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holmeboy wrote:
As for bargains: Stepan Katerynchuk. I got him for 600k. I won't ask you to use a scout report so: spd 42.5 vis 39.6 str 38.6 pass 32.8 agil 30.2 Int is only 38.7 which is low for a QB but he's only 24 and went for 600k. Yes, you got him cheaply, but anything less than 50 Int relegates a QB to no better than backup status, and with his strength probably capped under 40, he's now 3rd string... with that vision meaning a big wage! |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2013-01-31 00:45:32 (ID: 79740) Report Abuse |
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That sneaky_minotaur, he talks sense.
Agree 100%, so I won't repeat it all.... again! |
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panoramix
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posted: 2013-01-31 00:51:10 (ID: 79741) Report Abuse |
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JonnyP wrote:
That sneaky_minotaur, he talks sense. Agree 100%, so I won't repeat it all.... again! Me too |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2013-01-31 00:55:26 (ID: 79742) Report Abuse |
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Simply... if you don't want money to be an advantage, then make it tougher to get rich.
Don't make it difficult for those who are already rich to spend their money, quite the opposite!!! Let them spend spend spend, then they won't be so rich any more. And if they get a short term advantage from it, so what... the best managers will rise to the top in the long run, as they will spend most wisely. |
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Toni Gorilla
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posted: 2013-01-31 01:06:26 (ID: 79743) Report Abuse |
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panoramix wrote:
JonnyP wrote:
That sneaky_minotaur, he talks sense. Agree 100%, so I won't repeat it all.... again! Me too Exactly right! And because we are short here of people talking sense, we shall honor him with a picture of a 'sneaky minotaur':  Source: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7421/sneakyminotaur.jpg |
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