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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2013-02-03 17:51:46 (ID: 80487) Report Abuse |
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All the problems with the current bid system are well documented so I'm sure Pete doesnt need a "list" of people's grievances... But putting all of the cons in one thread isnt a bad idea.
the only main draw back people have against the other forms of transfer proposed are the levels of cheating that could incur but thats just not an argument I'm willing to buy yet because as of now its all theoretical. I cant think of any system we'd propose that would "allow" for cheating... cheaters are going to cheat. but to list of problems of todays TM -Time (!!!!) -Overall amounts of bids per player -Ignores seller (max asking price 16000?!) -Contracts don't transfer -2min warning bids -More money on bids than currently in bank account Thats pretty much the list for me... |
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holmeboy
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posted: 2013-02-03 18:00:39 (ID: 80490) Report Abuse |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
All the problems with the current bid system are well documented so I'm sure Pete doesnt need a "list" of people's grievances... But putting all of the cons in one thread isnt a bad idea. Hey I'm just trying to get everything in the one thread - like you said. I know its all well documented, but its all over the place. And I'm hoping that having this thread will stop people opening a new TM thread every week. I'm sure Pete's aware as well. But rather than having it all over the place being able to present him with a post where all the problems and possible solutions are together might see things move forward, rather than going around in circles like we are atm. Thanks for your thoughts! |
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detroit
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posted: 2013-02-03 20:42:53 (ID: 80519) Report Abuse |
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Of the above list, the two issues I don't understand are as follows:
Max limit on listing players at 16k. Should be limit, so that players don't list all their players and the total list becomes unreadable. Think the limit should be higher, like 250k. Can bid more than what is in bank account. This should not be allowed. Sounds vaguely like "short selling" in the stock market. Just my opinion. I'm against trading player for player, and I think the bidding system being tested allows for certain groups of people to veto all trades not to their liking. The current auction system is not perfect, but a new system could definitely be worse. Just my opinion on the Transfer Market. Keep up the good work, Pete !  Last edited on 2013-02-03 20:54:31 by detroit |
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| posted: 2013-02-03 21:27:54 (ID: 80522) Report Abuse | |
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Are you sure that these are so big problems and you must to find solutions?
I'm totally fine with the current transfer system! So let me defend it. -Time (!!!!) - I think it's not such a big problem. 250 players are currently on the TM, that is daily 80+, perhaps because of the weekend is just a little more than the average, but if we calculate daily 60 players that's mean 4500 players/year. Maybe it will be a player from those 4500 who you really want to buy and whose deadline will be at the right (online) time. But when I really wanted a player whose deadline was 4am I woke up to bidding and after that (that was a very-very long bidding  ) at 5am I went back to sleep and two hours later I went to work. Another time, I gave instructions over the phone to my wife, who bid in my name.  I know this is an exaggeration and it's only happened once. But as we Hungarians say: nincs lehetetlen, csak tehetetlen. That's mean something like where there is a will, there is a way.
-Ignores seller (max asking price 16000?!) - That is the owner's risk. If you're worried about not getting adequate price for the player, don't put him out on the market. I really don't like the solution that the potential buyers should compete to player with the owner. -2min warning bids - That's strategy too. Playing with the clock and with the opponent's nerves.  Otherwise, when a number of very "popular" players were same/close deadline, it was a problem with the refresh, sometimes more than a minute it couldn't to refresh the page.
So I don't care if there will be a parallel solution, but I think this system is working properly. Last edited on 2013-02-04 00:34:21 by Sanco |
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notsch
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posted: 2013-02-04 00:41:14 (ID: 80536) Report Abuse |
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nice post.
i am not sure how to include the rising salaries in your analysis. one might argue that their rising will limit the doings of established franchises on the TM in the future (3-4 seasons???). how does that influence your sayings 
does it at all
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ScottWAR
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posted: 2013-02-04 12:50:07 (ID: 80575) Report Abuse |
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Sanco wrote:
But when I really wanted a player whose deadline was 4am I woke up to bidding and after that (that was a very-very long bidding ) at 5am I went back to sleep and two hours later I went to work. Another time, I gave instructions over the phone to my wife, who bid in my name. I know this is an exaggeration and it's only happened once. But as we Hungarians say: nincs lehetetlen, csak tehetetlen. That's mean something like where there is a will, there is a way.
Yuo really dont see how this is a problem? This is a GAME. Something for FUN. Having to get up at all hours of the night in order to be able to aquire players (something required to ever have any success) is NOT FUN. Not to mention that a lot of people just cant get up in the middle of the night for a game.,,,...their school, work, family,..etc will suffer becasue of it. As for your wife,...some people dont have wives......or wont have them long, especially if they are constantly getting up at all hours to play a game,..... not to mention some would consider it cheating to have someone logging in as you,...which is why most website games have a strict policy and ban people who have multiple users using one account. In fact the first rule in the rules section -"One manager can have one club!" -EDIT- just wanted to add that I personally dont have an issue with anyones family filling in for them,...but it is against the rules in most online games. The only logical argument against the ebay/robot bid system is that it caters to the rich......to which I would ask.....have you saw the prices on the TM lately?........and why use a bid system if you dont want to 'cater to the rich',...the whole point of an auction is the most money wins. Of course the answer is that there are no good alternatives............ Last edited on 2013-02-04 13:47:01 by ScottWAR |
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ScottWAR wrote:
Yuo really dont see how this is a problem? This is a GAME. Something for FUN. Having to get up at all hours of the night in order to be able to aquire players (something required to ever have any success) is NOT FUN. Not to mention that a lot of people just cant get up in the middle of the night for a game.,,,...their school, work, family,..etc will suffer becasue of it. Although I mentioned these two examples, but it doesn't mean that I always do it. I can't and i don't want to do. These are just two extreme examples were. Yes, you're right! Waking up at dawn is not funny, but you have a fun when you win with (among others) the help of the player who you bought (maybe at dawn). But thanks to Pete, this game is so complex that you can't just win because you bought one or two or five or ten excellent players. But I'm sure that from those 4500 players, everybody find some players who really need him and their deadlines appropriate too. ScottWAR wrote:
As for your wife,...some people dont have wives......or wont have them long, especially if they are constantly getting up at all hours to play a game,..... not to mention some would consider it cheating to have someone logging in as you,...which is why most website games have a strict policy and ban people who have multiple users using one account. In fact the first rule in the rules section -"One manager can have one club!" -EDIT- just wanted to add that I personally dont have an issue with anyones family filling in for them,...but it is against the rules in most online games. I hope that you're just misunderstood me. I have only one club. My wife was in our common home and she gave bid in my name from my PC. So I really don't understand what is illegal or cheating in this? But I think it is not prohibited by any rule to log in from another IP adress. What if you go to holiday somewhere and you want to see how is the online game, wich you play?? Nothing, just walk into an internet cafe (you have no smart phone/laptop) and you login. Therefore, no one will be excluded from the game. But when you try to manage more team from same IP, you'll be kicked out from the game. ScottWAR wrote:
The only logical argument against the ebay/robot bid system is that it caters to the rich......to which I would ask.....have you saw the prices on the TM lately?........and why use a bid system if you dont want to 'cater to the rich',...the whole point of an auction is the most money wins. Of course the answer is that there are no good alternatives............ I don't quite understand that, but I'm working on it.
I guess you realized that I can't speak/write English well. 
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ScottWAR
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posted: 2013-02-04 14:50:39 (ID: 80600) Report Abuse |
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No,... I understood exactly what you were saying,...your wife did some bidding for you while you were away. That is a rule violation,...ONE manager....ONE club....not two managers one club,...or two clubs one manager.....your wife isnt you,...and shouldnt be logging in using your account. However,...I was just pointing this out,...I do not have an issue with it,.....but at some websites it will get you banned. I dont think its an issue here,...but only Pete can make that call.
As for the trademarket and the ebay objection. The problem stated with "ebay" bidding...is that it makes it easy for the rich to put in extremely high bids on everything and win,...without needing to be online. The point I was making is that the players are already gong for extremely high amounts,...which only the rich can afford.....so thats not really a good argument against the ebay style bidding. Currently there are two obstacles to getting a player,....being rich AND being online. Removing the being online part makes it easier on everyone by removing one of those obstacles. Last edited on 2013-02-04 14:55:41 by ScottWAR |
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C17Ajax
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posted: 2013-02-04 15:01:52 (ID: 80603) Report Abuse |
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ScottWAR wrote:
No,... I understood exactly what you were saying,...your wife did some bidding for you while you were away. That is a rule violation,...ONE manager....ONE club....not two managers one club,...or two clubs one manager.....your wife isnt you,...and shouldnt be logging in using your account. However,...I was just pointing this out,...I do not have an issue with it,.....but at some websites it will get you banned. I dont think its an issue here,...but only Pete can make that call. As for the trademarket and the ebay objection. The problem stated with "ebay" bidding...is that it makes it easy for the rich to put in extremely high bids on everything and win,...without needing to be online. The point I was making is that the players are already gong for extremely high amounts,...which only the rich can afford.....so thats not really a good argument against the ebay style bidding. Currently there are two obstacles to getting a player,....being rich AND being online. Removing the being online part makes it easier on everyone by removing one of those obstacles. |
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E Logic
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posted: 2013-02-04 15:46:08 (ID: 80612) Report Abuse |
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ScottWAR wrote:
The problem with "ebay" bidding is the likelyhood of cheating. without any restrictions, it would be far to easy to sell rubbish players for huge amounts of money. This would happen as some people for some strange reason find it impossible not to cheat even for something like an online game.
The problem stated with "ebay" bidding...is that it makes it easy for the rich to put in extremely high bids on everything and win,...without needing to be online. The point I was making is that the players are already gong for extremely high amounts,...which only the rich can afford.....so thats not really a good argument against the ebay style bidding. Currently there are two obstacles to getting a player,....being rich AND being online. Removing the being online part makes it easier on everyone by removing one of those obstacles. And very recently a manger was caught trying to cheat in the current TM. He had 4 teams. now could you imagine what would have happend if we had a ebay style TM. This said i would like to see the current TM tweaked a bit for example allow the selling manager to set a higher asking price or set a minimum transfer price. Last edited on 2013-02-04 15:50:24 by E Logic |
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