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| posted: 2013-02-04 15:56:50 (ID: 80613) Report Abuse | |
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ScottWAR wrote:
No,... I understood exactly what you were saying,...your wife did some bidding for you while you were away. That is a rule violation,...ONE manager....ONE club....not two managers one club,...or two clubs one manager.....your wife isnt you,...and shouldnt be logging in using your account. However,...I was just pointing this out,...I do not have an issue with it,.....but at some websites it will get you banned. I dont think its an issue here,...but only Pete can make that call. As for the trademarket and the ebay objection. The problem stated with "ebay" bidding...is that it makes it easy for the rich to put in extremely high bids on everything and win,...without needing to be online. The point I was making is that the players are already gong for extremely high amounts,...which only the rich can afford.....so thats not really a good argument against the ebay style bidding. Currently there are two obstacles to getting a player,....being rich AND being online. Removing the being online part makes it easier on everyone by removing one of those obstacles. My wife as manager.  It would be a nice little accident.  I think it's just a technical issue. She was just my extended hand. Every step what she did step by step was my order. But you're right, if it's a problem then Pete will give me a warning.
As I understand it, I don't support the e-bay system. Otherwise, the trade system, which is now we tested it something like that, there is also the richest wins. Here is my suggestion: Each player should get a maximum value, it paid for him. This could be calculated using the equation from his skills, has age, his talent, TW... or whatever. And when more teams are willing to pay this calculated amount, then the team will be his new team, which has lower global ranking. Or which average global ranking in the last 3 years (or the last 50 weeks was lower). I think that it would not be so easy to solve, but perhaps it's support better the newer, younger, poorer teams. |
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posted: 2013-02-04 16:20:47 (ID: 80617) Report Abuse |
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Uh-oh. The magic equation idea again
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| posted: 2013-02-04 16:30:46 (ID: 80618) Report Abuse | |
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ScottWAR wrote:
...your wife did some bidding for you while you were away. That is a rule violation,...ONE manager....ONE club....not two managers one club,...or two clubs one manager.....your wife isnt you,...and shouldnt be logging in using your account. However,...I was just pointing this out,...I do not have an issue with it,.....but at some websites it will get you banned. I dont think its an issue here,...but only Pete can make that call. I don't understand this as cheating. |
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| posted: 2013-02-04 16:37:50 (ID: 80620) Report Abuse | |
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C17Ajax wrote:
Uh-oh. The magic equation idea again Current starting price of the Free Agents on the TM are calculated with an equation. But there is the starting prices are calculated. What I think is the maximum price for which you can sell your player, if someone wants to pay so much for her. But if no one gives him so much, then the highest bid win. |
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| posted: 2013-02-04 16:48:14 (ID: 80621) Report Abuse | |
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pete wrote:
ScottWAR wrote:
...your wife did some bidding for you while you were away. That is a rule violation,...ONE manager....ONE club....not two managers one club,...or two clubs one manager.....your wife isnt you,...and shouldnt be logging in using your account. However,...I was just pointing this out,...I do not have an issue with it,.....but at some websites it will get you banned. I dont think its an issue here,...but only Pete can make that call. I don't understand this as cheating. I'm very happy for that. 
And my wife happy too.  |
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ScottWAR
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posted: 2013-02-04 17:00:00 (ID: 80623) Report Abuse |
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While I dont consider it cheating myself,.... I am going to play Devils advocate for a moment (that means I am going to argue a point that I actually dont agree with).
Having someone else play in your stead is considered cheating in most web games,......mainly because someone who has thier wife make bids for them while they are at work gets an unfair advantage over someone else who doesnt have a wife to bid for them while they are at work. Look at like this,.....his wife took the place of a "robot" in robot bidding. Why does he get to do robot bidding just becasue he has a wife or someone else who can log in masquerading as him? With all that said,...again,....I dont think its cheating,...and am not saying that,....I am just informing Pete why some would consider it cheating. The simple truth here is that is wouldnt really affect the game enough to be concerned about,....and even if you were, how would you enforce it? I have never been a fan of rules that are impossible to enforce. Last edited on 2013-02-04 17:03:13 by ScottWAR |
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| posted: 2013-02-04 17:03:51 (ID: 80624) Report Abuse | |
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i understand the arguments, but disagree. if i ask a friend or my wife to care about my team while i am offline, this is fine - as long as the helper doesnt own a team too
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posted: 2013-02-04 17:15:12 (ID: 80625) Report Abuse |
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Cool,....back to the topic.
I think the easiest solution would probably be robot bids that only work if you are online. Last edited on 2013-02-04 17:15:35 by ScottWAR |
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posted: 2013-02-04 17:21:36 (ID: 80626) Report Abuse |
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I'll u p d a t e OP when I have time later with all the suggestions/comments.
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posted: 2013-02-04 18:49:47 (ID: 80648) Report Abuse |
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I'll u p d a t e OP when I have time later with all the suggestions/comments.
Thats great. But I want to retort some of Sanco's complaints. Sanco wrote:
Are you sure that these are so big problems and you must to find solutions? I'm totally fine with the current transfer system! So let me defend it. -Time (!!!!) - I think it's not such a big problem. 250 players are currently on the TM, that is daily 80+, perhaps because of the weekend is just a little more than the average, but if we calculate daily 60 players that's mean 4500 players/year. Maybe it will be a player from those 4500 who you really want to buy and whose deadline will be at the right (online) time. But when I really wanted a player whose deadline was 4am I woke up to bidding and after that (that was a very-very long bidding ) at 5am I went back to sleep and two hours later I went to work. Another time, I gave instructions over the phone to my wife, who bid in my name.  I know this is an exaggeration and it's only happened once. But as we Hungarians say: nincs lehetetlen, csak tehetetlen. That's mean something like where there is a will, there is a way.
I really can't believe your serious with this. Not the part about your wife bidding for you as I'm with Pete... I could careless how many people you have helping you with your team as long as there arent multiple teams and your colluding with one another... the part I'm concerned about is your thinking such sacrifices should be considered a necessary advantage in this game. I believe one of the primary goals of not only this game but any endeavor is to retain people and if it takes all that to get a significant player then why bother? And the argument about the number of players on the TM and therefore everyone should have a shot by volume alone is a tired excuse. Its not about the numbers... its the process. Real talk serious question.... You seem concerned that newer/poorer teams would be left out in the cold with a system that allows for easier bidding but then say the above statement as if that isnt even more radically exclusionary... As a SELLER (because we all are sellers) which trade off would you rather have... the newer/poorer teams maybe getting priced out in a bid war or a crop of managers who have no chance of buying your player due to whatever time constraints? -Ignores seller (max asking price 16000?!) - That is the owner's risk. If you're worried about not getting adequate price for the player, don't put him out on the market. I really don't like the solution that the potential buyers should compete to player with the owner. I say this because maxing at 16000 is rather ridiculous. If I know I have a beast mode of a player... why can't I start the bidding at whatever I want? It'll cut all the BS bids of the first few days when all managers are doing is just putting the player on the bid list anyway... Its a logical and easy step to take that doesnt change anything about any system we already have or implement -2min warning bids - That's strategy too. Playing with the clock and with the opponent's nerves.  Otherwise, when a number of very "popular" players were same/close deadline, it was a problem with the refresh, sometimes more than a minute it couldn't to refresh the page.
Strategy isnt the word I'd use because there is nothing strategic in it. The word your looking for is gimmick. There are a litany of reasons why the two minute rule is counter everything this game supposes but the main one is with the winning bid its never about the price... its about the ceaseless exhaustion of having to refresh the page every 30secs and eventually people just give up. I dont think thats what player acquistion should be about.... managers just giving up due to tedious tasks and thinking "is this really worth it?" before sending in your bid KNOWING seconds later your going to see another bid (and again.. and again.. and again). So I don't care if there will be a parallel solution, but I think this system is working properly. |
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