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CarpeDM
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posted: 2013-02-04 18:52:10 (ID: 80649) Report Abuse |
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ScottWAR wrote:
I think the easiest solution would probably be robot bids that only work if you are online. after reviewing some of the pros and cons brought up in the discussion i would have a suggestion that goes into a similar direction like ScottWARs idea. As being active should be awarded but simply being online can be achieved by leaving the computer turned on and therefore would be too easy. I suggest to keep the TM as it is right now with the chance to place orders in advance but to add a additional "robot bidding" function that gets activated maybe at 5 or 10 minutes before each Tradedeadline. This function would allow inserting ebay style max amounts (could possibly be capped as a additional improvement ) Pro: Activity (or to be more precise being online at given times) gets awarded Biding wars that expand the trade deadline get eliminated Rich Managers can not just put in a max amount at any time but would have to be online at deadlines to insert high prices (with the current system prices go up to amazingly high amounts as well so i doubt higher prices due to max bidding amount) Con Still a tweaked Ebay system which Pete doesnt like Advantages for those players who wake up in the middle of the night to be there at deadlines Last edited on 2013-02-04 18:54:13 by CarpeDM |
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ScottWAR
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posted: 2013-02-04 19:02:52 (ID: 80651) Report Abuse |
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CarpeDM wrote:
ScottWAR wrote:
I think the easiest solution would probably be robot bids that only work if you are online. after reviewing some of the pros and cons brought up in the discussion i would have a suggestion that goes into a similar direction like ScottWARs idea. As being active should be awarded but simply being online can be achieved by leaving the computer turned on and therefore would be too easy. I suggest to keep the TM as it is right now with the chance to place orders in advance but to add a additional "robot bidding" function that gets activated maybe at 5 or 10 minutes before each Tradedeadline. This function would allow inserting ebay style max amounts (could possibly be capped as a additional improvement ) Pro: Activity (or to be more precise being online at given times) gets awarded Biding wars that expand the trade deadline get eliminated Rich Managers can not just put in a max amount at any time but would have to be online at deadlines to insert high prices (with the current system prices go up to amazingly high amounts as well so i doubt higher prices due to max bidding amount) Con Still a tweaked Ebay system which Pete doesnt like Advantages for those players who wake up in the middle of the night to be there at deadlines Didnt think about just being away from the computer.....thats a very good solution too. |
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| posted: 2013-02-05 10:59:57 (ID: 80760) Report Abuse | |
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Swordpriest1 wrote:
the part I'm concerned about is your thinking such sacrifices should be considered a necessary advantage in this game. I believe one of the primary goals of not only this game but any endeavor is to retain people and if it takes all that to get a significant player then why bother? And the argument about the number of players on the TM and therefore everyone should have a shot by volume alone is a tired excuse. Its not about the numbers... its the process. I don't think those are very serious sacrifices. Once (!) to ask someone to help me while I'm not able to bid or waking up at night four or five times per year. So don't need to worry about. The number of players can be tired excuse, but it's true. Swordpriest1 wrote:
Real talk serious question.... You seem concerned that newer/poorer teams would be left out in the cold with a system that allows for easier bidding but then say the above statement as if that isnt even more radically exclusionary... As a SELLER (because we all are sellers) which trade off would you rather have... the newer/poorer teams maybe getting priced out in a bid war or a crop of managers who have no chance of buying your player due to whatever time constraints? I think that the two systems could run in parallel. The current TM system and another, which is actually is now being tested, but adding the maximum upper limit. So who can not be online when need is, it is still the other option to him. As a seller can choose between the two options the original with higher risk, but there is no upper limit, or another less risky, with higher starting price (should be 5-10% of the max price), but limited max. Swordpriest1 wrote:
I say this because maxing at 16000 is rather ridiculous. If I know I have a beast mode of a player... why can't I start the bidding at whatever I want? It'll cut all the BS bids of the first few days when all managers are doing is just putting the player on the bid list anyway... I can only repeat myself. It is the owner's risk. If you have a beast mode of a player, are you sure you're going to get the "beast" price for it, no matter how the bidding starts at 16,000, or 1 million. Perhaps it would be better to raise the initial limit to 100,000, but I'm not sure. At one or more millions starting price again there is the possibility of cheating. Swordpriest1 wrote:
Its a logical and easy step to take that doesnt change anything about any system we already have or implement This is a bullshit! I don't know an admin who so much care about the opinion, problems, complaints of users, such as Pete and his helper do. Just because some people don't like the current system is not going to immediately throw it out, especially if there is no suitable alternative. Swordpriest1 wrote:
Strategy isnt the word I'd use because there is nothing strategic in it. The word your looking for is gimmick. There are a litany of reasons why the two minute rule is counter everything this game supposes but the main one is with the winning bid its never about the price... its about the ceaseless exhaustion of having to refresh the page every 30secs and eventually people just give up. I dont think thats what player acquistion should be about.... managers just giving up due to tedious tasks and thinking "is this really worth it?" before sending in your bid KNOWING seconds later your going to see another bid (and again.. and again.. and again). But forgive me! When you start to bid, you don't because you want to win the bidding? You refresh the page every 30 seconds, and you hope that your opponent doesn't raise the bid. Your opponent does the same, but he'll be happy just because you give up. Are you sure the fault is in the system? I finished my part. Not because I'm a jerk, and I'm not offended, but to me is not so easy to understood but especially to answer. Maybe I misunderstood something, I apologize for it. 
If there's a way, I'm going to vote about the changes, but I don't want to write more this topic. |
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ScottWAR
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posted: 2013-02-05 15:34:56 (ID: 80794) Report Abuse |
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Sanco wrote:
? You refresh the page every 30 seconds, and you hope that your opponent doesn't raise the bid. Your opponent does the same, but he'll be happy just because you give up. Are you sure the fault is in the system? Yes its the fault of the system,...it certainly isnt the fault of the participants.....they have no choice but to participate if they want any better players. Sometimes life gets in the way.......for example: I have kids.....I have lost out on a few bids becasue I had to go make sure they werent destroying something in the house,....or getting themselves hurt,... and the bid was over by the time I returned. It sucks,.......but I will choose real life almost every time before a game. BUT,..........we still come to that one annoying problem..........what else is there? Last edited on 2013-02-05 16:36:47 by ScottWAR |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2013-02-05 17:16:52 (ID: 80837) Report Abuse |
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There is ALWAYS a "next" player that comes along to fill that spot for you to bid on again.
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ScottWAR
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posted: 2013-02-05 18:10:45 (ID: 80848) Report Abuse |
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sfniner08 wrote:
There is ALWAYS a "next" player that comes along to fill that spot for you to bid on again. And there will always be a tomorrow,....but that doesnt solve the problem. As long as the problem exists,...it doesnt matter how many players are put on the TM,....nothing will be any different. |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2013-02-05 18:42:28 (ID: 80855) Report Abuse |
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Just requires personal stake. We won't agree on this issue as we both have different viewpoints. It wouldn't be worth the back and forth because we would both be where we started. I am one that thinks the system is in place so it is up to the individual owner to make adjustments whether they be tactical or with expectations.
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ScottWAR
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posted: 2013-02-05 19:46:08 (ID: 80878) Report Abuse |
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Agree to disagree? Not a problem..........I can adapt to the current system as well...........but when you have so many people that dont like something its a good idea to change it before they leave....not after.
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i would agree if the change is for the better....but just replacing one flaw by another?
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2013-02-05 20:51:37 (ID: 80891) Report Abuse |
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ScottWAR wrote:
Agree to disagree? Not a problem..........I can adapt to the current system as well...........but when you have so many people that dont like something its a good idea to change it before they leave....not after.  "There is ALWAYS a next player..." That.... doesnt.... matter...
I can't agree to disagree or be inviting to the prospect that this is the system in place and that others like me should just shut up and work around it. I've said it before and I repeat... I'm not going to be apart of this TM. If there was a way for my team to be consistantly good w/o having to dabble in it... i'm all for it but as it stands if you do not participate in the TM you are at a SEVERE disadvantage in terms to long term success. The Draft is dicey and the YA can only go so far... The one aspect where you have absolute control of player personnel is TM and for it to be such a contrivance is inexcusable. I'm not apologizing to anyone on pointing out the lopsided fallacies of its mechanics. "I would agree if making the change for the better but replacing one flawed with another?"- Roger
No one is asking for the perfect system..... we just want one that is more conducive for everyone no matter of the time. I DONT care what system we have.... you take the 2min gimmick and the time specificity out and I can work with it. The Pros of "There is ALWAYS a next player" or the Cons of "The possibility of cheating" (both stated ad nausea) are equally irrelevant to me... |
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