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  Poll: Should we limit the access to the CoC Cup to managers out of the Top divisions?, Poll closed, votes: 360
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posted: 2013-02-07 09:21:15 (ID: 81282) Report Abuse
I still don't understand what's wrong with the CoC we have.

I don't fancy changes just to make changes, so I would like to understand the reason for it first
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posted: 2013-02-07 09:31:26 (ID: 81285) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
I still don't understand what's wrong with the CoC we have.

I don't fancy changes just to make changes, so I would like to understand the reason for it first


1. In the first 2 rounds there is no real competition, because the cap between league 1 and 2/3 teams is to big. (It's like a Champions league with Borussia Dortmund, Grether Fürth and SV Sandhausen)

2. There is too much money in the game. With 127 games in this competition it is possible to give more than 1 Billion$ to the participants (all human teams and all full stadiums)

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posted: 2013-02-07 09:33:47 (ID: 81288) Report Abuse
Buffalo wrote:
pete wrote:
I still don't understand what's wrong with the CoC we have.

I don't fancy changes just to make changes, so I would like to understand the reason for it first


1. In the first 2 rounds there is no real competition, because the cap between league 1 and 2/3 teams is to big. (It's like a Champions league with Borussia Dortmund, Grether Fürth and SV Sandhausen)

2. There is too much money in the game. With 127 games in this competition it is possible to give more than 1 Billion$ to the participants (all human teams and all full stadiums)



How would you solve 1 by having a cup where D1-D3 teams join? And a cup having only D1 teams won't happen, sorry!

For 2: I am split about this topic. On one side there has to be kind of a payback for making it into the CoC, on the other hand this means there will be some money out for that.
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posted: 2013-02-07 09:42:07 (ID: 81293) Report Abuse
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And a cup having only D1 teams won't happen, sorry!


Why not? From the view of a League 3 team, what is the benefit of the CoC. With luck they play against a bot and sell tickets for 2 games. They have no chance to beat better teams, loose very high and learn nothing.

pete wrote:
For 2: I am split about this topic. On one side there has to be kind of a payback for making it into the CoC, on the other hand this means there will be some money out for that.


You want to give the CoC members a payback? Raise the ticket factor for the bowl games or increase the prize money. But to be honest, we are playing here for trophies and not for the highest bankroll.
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posted: 2013-02-07 09:45:22 (ID: 81296) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
I still don't understand what's wrong with the CoC we have.

I don't fancy changes just to make changes, so I would like to understand the reason for it first


Personally, I would like to see all the top teams play each other on a constant level, instead of having 3-4 rounds of bot-bashing and lower-league-team-bashing until the 1/4 finale, as it's done in the current version of the CoC Cup. I understand there is financial rewards that we don't want to reduce for those in need, but the fun factor is not particularly high.

I would find it majorly exciting if we had the top teams battling it out against each other, week in week out. In a group mode this would also mean that you could afford losing one game and recover with subsequent wins. That's why I would like groups of 8, sort of like the RZA World Cup organised by Buffalo, however, this time ONLY involving bowl finalists, the best of the best.

Also, financial reward for those teams should be reduced. These are already the Top teams. Any extra funding will widen the gap unnecessarily.

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posted: 2013-02-07 10:36:49 (ID: 81313) Report Abuse
Buffalo wrote:
pete wrote:
And a cup having only D1 teams won't happen, sorry!


Why not? From the view of a League 3 team, what is the benefit of the CoC. With luck they play against a bot and sell tickets for 2 games. They have no chance to beat better teams, loose very high and learn nothing.


I just dislike split competitions on global cups...It is like "I am better than you, go away from me"
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posted: 2013-02-07 14:49:29 (ID: 81412) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
pete wrote:
And a cup having only D1 teams won't happen, sorry!


Why not? From the view of a League 3 team, what is the benefit of the CoC. With luck they play against a bot and sell tickets for 2 games. They have no chance to beat better teams, loose very high and learn nothing.


I just dislike split competitions on global cups...It is like "I am better than you, go away from me"


What about the prestige? Take G*I for an example, there you have the Iron bowl and when you start and are a newbie and you're like "wow, I want to be like that, I want to play in the Iron bowl". The same you could have here, a league where only top teams play for prestige and every newbies goal would be to join this competition.
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posted: 2013-02-07 14:56:21 (ID: 81413) Report Abuse
cantalupe wrote:

What about the prestige? Take G*I for an example, there you have the Iron bowl and when you start and are a newbie and you're like "wow, I want to be like that, I want to play in the Iron bowl". The same you could have here, a league where only top teams play for prestige and every newbies goal would be to join this competition.


Isnt that exactly what we have? We have a competition everybody would like to join...called CoC...and we have a final game, the best of the best of the best...called Champ of Champs Bowl...

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posted: 2013-02-07 15:51:58 (ID: 81440) Report Abuse
You don't understand
Champ of the Champs do not change.
Regular league created for the winner of the first leagues (team in second place). Teams will not play in their league next season (Dragons 1.1), will play Champions League. Team relegation into your league (Dragon 1.1.).
I propose create TOP league. I do not take money to the poor.
Played by the prestige, no the money.
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posted: 2013-02-07 15:52:20 (ID: 81441) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
cantalupe wrote:

What about the prestige? Take G*I for an example, there you have the Iron bowl and when you start and are a newbie and you're like "wow, I want to be like that, I want to play in the Iron bowl". The same you could have here, a league where only top teams play for prestige and every newbies goal would be to join this competition.


Isnt that exactly what we have? We have a competition everybody would like to join...called CoC...and we have a final game, the best of the best of the best...called Champ of Champs Bowl...


Nope. It has no prestige. Most managers value the supercup more than they do the CoC. The 2.1 and 3.1 teams really have no reason to be in a competition that should crown the best team of the season as they take up the space that could be filled by more top teams.
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