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sfniner08
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posted: 2013-02-11 15:55:39 (ID: 82421) Report Abuse |
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There is a plateau point for established teams. Finances dictate that a team can only have so many players with high skills. So that means an established team can't have a roster full of players with 45+ in a skill outside of physicals.
To gain on an established team will take at least 4 seasons. Consider that right now a new team will start at the 3.X league. They win that and move on to 2.X. During the first season they build their stadium and slowly pick up a few players for their core through the draft, YA, and TM. In season 2 they start messing with the playbook and dabble in the coaches. In season 3 they should have some pretty good funds saved up, a set of good coaches, a decent playbook, and a core group of players for their style of team. That core group would have 9 draft players and some YA guys. Perhaps you picked up 2 TM players who are starters. Half of your starters are established. Perhaps it is season 4 when you move up to 1.1. Now you are competing with the top teams. In 2 more seasons at the 1.1 level you now have played 6 seasons and have 18 draft players of your own plus say 3 good YA players who have moved up. You also bought say 4 TM players who are starters. All of your starters are established now. Season 7 is now the season where you are playing in the playoffs for a chance at the title. |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-02-11 16:17:14 (ID: 82433) Report Abuse |
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C17Ajax wrote:
In numbers, extra draft picks would onky be appropriate for the very firat season in te league if done. Maybe draft picks was a bad example given the current TM controversy right now. An catch up advantage should be small, like maybe contracts sign 20% cheaper in 1.X leagues and 10% in 2.x leagues. Any advantage this creates would disappear after a couple seasons, but still help close the 14 year gap to something reasonable 5-6 seasons maybe What does these draft picks give a new team? Sure better players but also:- 1, Higher wages when a team isn't equipped with the knowledge or resources to handle it. 2, More opportunities to sell players. I am one of those who firmly believe that you should not sell your draft player just to maximise the stadium income but build your side around your draft picks. With good management a new player can max out his stadium in less than 60 days easily without having to sell a draft player. This will allow them to compete for players on the TM on even footing with the established sides possibly even have an advantage as they dont have the extra salary costs. |
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C17Ajax
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posted: 2013-02-11 16:36:04 (ID: 82454) Report Abuse |
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I agree with not selling draft players but its definitely happening on a large scale.
The problem is the stadiums. I still believe it should not be profitable to run a max stadium in most cases. In virtually every game, if a function can be maxed relatively quick and then forgotten, then it's a wated feature. The best features require you to balance and think. This game gets most if them right. Ive read that You can't run out and max your coaches or as described above your players. Why should the stadium be a first season only aspect of the game and then forgotten? And not that realism is paramount but it does feel funny to pour all your money into stadiums as a rookie. Advertising, wins, prestigious players or even prestigious opponents should attract fans. Building a giant stadium for my peewee football team should not make them a hit with 100000 fans. If fam morale was the primary determinant, teams might choose differently on their friendly games. Right now, the right answer for a new owner is to suffer through season one is to spend all your money on stadiums and play all your friendlies against generous giant teams that crush you but earn cash for your stadium. Not a good system for attracting and retaining new owners But if everyone else thinks this is perfect Ill shut up and color.  Last edited on 2013-02-11 16:37:39 by C17Ajax |
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sh8888
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posted: 2013-02-11 16:38:12 (ID: 82455) Report Abuse |
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C17Ajax wrote:
But if everyone else thinks this is perfect Ill shut up and color. if you need any spare crayons, ask Hosh .... he's currently writing his Autobiography, so the green and purple ones will be in use  |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-02-11 17:07:00 (ID: 82465) Report Abuse |
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C17Ajax wrote:
I agree with not selling draft players but its definitely happening on a large scale. Is it? I thought that there was more draft players put up for sale at the start of season 6 than this season. Can you show us all any figures to back up your claim? It would be interesting to see how this trend is increasing. Also you would need to discount the top sides selling their weaker draft picks C17Ajax wrote:
The problem is the stadiums. I still believe it should not be profitable to run a max stadium in most cases. In virtually every game, if a function can be maxed relatively quick and then forgotten, then it's a wated feature. The best features require you to balance and think. Why isn't it? There is 313m people (give or take one or two) in the USA and between 32 teams that is nearly 10m people per team to fill a stadium In the worlds there is an estimated population of 6,973m split between 1792 teams that would be 4m per team. So lets take into consideration of the following facts RZA has no college programme, no other sports, no travel involved and no nagging wives to take fans away from attending games to do something else. So to ask just 4% of the local population to attend a game when there is nothing else to do in the world is not that unrealistic. C17Ajax wrote:
If fam morale was the primary determinant, teams might choose differently on their friendly games. Right now, the right answer for a new owner is to suffer through season one is to spend all your money on stadiums and play all your friendlies against generous giant teams that crush you but earn cash for your stadium. Not a good system for attracting and retaining new owners But if everyone else thinks this is perfect Ill shut up and color. I am pretty sure that the stadium build issue does not attract new owners just as I am also just as sure that it's not the primary reason for teams leaving. But Pete has more stats on that than I. Although if you look through the forums I am sure the most feedback Pete has had from leaving managers is that they just dont have the time to play it |
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bwadders76 wrote:
true, and this leads to the conclusion that all these suggestions are bullshit, we need one to provide them with more time...I am pretty sure that the stadium build issue does not attract new owners just as I am also just as sure that it's not the primary reason for teams leaving. But Pete has more stats on that than I. Although if you look through the forums I am sure the most feedback Pete has had from leaving managers is that they just dont have the time to play it  |
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C17Ajax
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posted: 2013-02-11 17:32:40 (ID: 82473) Report Abuse |
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Bullshit suggestions respectfully withdrawn. I mistakenly thought you wanted new player opinions of the experience, but you've got it.
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C17Ajax wrote:
was not meant to be serious...it seems i should mark ironic posts as suchBullshit suggestions respectfully withdrawn. I mistakenly thought you wanted new player opinions of the experience, but you've got it. |
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Laudis
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posted: 2013-02-11 18:40:32 (ID: 82490) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
bwadders76 wrote:
true, and this leads to the conclusion that all these suggestions are bullshit, we need one to provide them with more time...I am pretty sure that the stadium build issue does not attract new owners just as I am also just as sure that it's not the primary reason for teams leaving. But Pete has more stats on that than I. Although if you look through the forums I am sure the most feedback Pete has had from leaving managers is that they just dont have the time to play it The whole life is about searching and choosing. Edit: Pete fixed the quoting Last edited on 2013-02-11 18:48:36 by pete |
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Swordpriest1
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posted: 2013-02-11 19:50:01 (ID: 82500) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
bwadders76 wrote:
true, and this leads to the conclusion that all these suggestions are bullshit, we need one to provide them with more time...I am pretty sure that the stadium build issue does not attract new owners just as I am also just as sure that it's not the primary reason for teams leaving. But Pete has more stats on that than I. Although if you look through the forums I am sure the most feedback Pete has had from leaving managers is that they just dont have the time to play it Roger is going to start thinking that if he said the sky was Blue... I'd bet my house it was red. Ajax I dont want you to come here and think your suggestion was a BS calculation. I never really looked at it from that pov but there is some serious merit IMO. It does seem like the stadium side of the game is incredibly black/white when in real life... the stadiums are serious selling points for fans and overall team income. I agree with Buffalo in there is a line between when the game becomes a football sim and some sim on banking strategies but we shouldnt sell the dynamics of multiple layers to stadium building short. its way down the list of priorities right now though.. |
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