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Buffalo
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posted: 2013-02-19 10:03:02 (ID: 83773) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:
btw .... Buffalo, please don't take this personally, but this quote of yours "And I think in many cases the "OOP-cheaters" do use players in other positions not to cheat - it is more a lack of roster depth." Surely you can't be serious ? I've already highlighted 2 cases of Managers using the RB/FB dodge .... and we're talking Managers who have been here since 2011, so hardly short of time/money to add depth to their Roster. I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could probably find Managers using a CB/Safety dodge too. If you dig deep enough, you find allways teams which play have only WR, RB, and CB and no TE, FB and SF on their roster. Perhaps this are 5, 10 or 20 teams. If you want to punish these team with a higher OOP, than you should not forget, that newer teams with not so much depth on their roster get the penalty too. Should the focus be on the few top teams or on the width foundation of newer teams? I think the "OOP-cheaters" will win more games, but they will not win the big games. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2013-02-19 10:17:08 (ID: 83774) Report Abuse |
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Buffalo wrote:
If you want to punish these team with a higher OOP, than you should not forget, that newer teams with not so much depth on their roster get the penalty too. Should the focus be on the few top teams or on the width foundation of newer teams? I thought about this already (that's why I mentioned newer teams in this Suggestion ). However, I think an OOP penalty hits newer teams less than people might initially realise ... for 2 reasons :- (1) As Pete mentioned yesterday (earlier in this thread), Quote :- "What is the quality of the team you are looking at? I am asking, since on low quality players the effect of OOP is lower too" (2) When a Team is completely new, the 'Default Team' given to the new Manager has players at every single position i.e. No OOP penalty by default, therefore an OOP penalty only exists if the Manager cuts/sells/moves Players and creates an unbalanced Roster. Also ... Default Teams usually have 2/3 Gunners and 2/3 Kick Returners ... these can easily be switched to other roster positions thereby giving additional Roster Depth. and to answer your question "Should the focus be on the few top teams or on the width foundation of newer teams?" The answer is ... Neither. The focus should be on providing a fair,balanced, equal environment for all teams. You used the phrase "OOP-cheaters" .... I don't think that allowing or tolerating 'OOP-cheating' creates the fair,balanced, equal environment for all teams that I'd like to see. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2013-02-19 11:47:39 (ID: 83783) Report Abuse |
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E Logic wrote:
(formation specific +/- ) ive seen it mentioned a couple of times but i dont get what it means. can someone enlighten me plaese to this change? I've had a quick skim through the Manual and I don't see it (it's far better to read it in The Manual, than to hear it from someone like me  ), so I'll attempt to very briefly explain it and then give you a quick Forum link to read :-
Basically .... I think to describe this feature,Pete coined the rather wonderful term 'Formation Relationship Model' (a team of Management Consultants would've charged $10000 per hour to come up with a term like that ).
What is it (in simple terms) ?? - a table/array of O-Formations vs D-Formations. Some matchups are considered to be better than others, so there can be a bonus applied if the matchup is 'good' (and vice versa if 'bad'). link to the words of Herr Admin "- formation relations: A matrix of offense and defense formations was created to give bonuses/disadvantages on selecting the right/wrong D for a certain O. You know that from this SHotgun pass vs 5-3-3 discussion (while 5-2 is much worse ). While we have seen it was too much importance on tjhis feature, we lowered the importance with todays u p d a t e " |
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panoramix
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posted: 2013-02-19 12:21:29 (ID: 83792) Report Abuse |
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sh8888 wrote:I don't think that allowing or tolerating 'OOP-cheating' creates the fair,balanced, equal environment for all teams that I'd like to see.
I'm a cheater? Running a RB on a Shotgun is cheating? IMHO the problem is another one: the out of position rule is colliding with the illogical limitation to the assistant coaches. Why should a team be limited to the number of coaches? And why we should be limited by the...coaching points???? It's like we were limited by the total skill points of our players! Illogical? Oh, yes! The only limit should be the economy balance of the team: in this case a concrete limitation to the position (*) can be acceptable and fair. But only when each team has the opportunity to engage one AC for each position (or group of positions (**) ) with the only limitation set by the bank account. As we made with the players. (*) no penality, the assignment of a player in a position that is not his right position should be simply impossible (**) ok with DL, OL, QB, WR, TE...but FB shoud be merged with RB and CB with SF. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2013-02-19 12:42:45 (ID: 83794) Report Abuse |
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panoramix wrote:
I'm a cheater? Running a RB on a Shotgun is cheating? I didn't coin the phrase "OOP-cheating", I just used it to reply to Buffalo as he'd already used the phrase. I don't want the Discussion to get 'personal', that's why I originally never named the Teams. I don't think this is about who is doing what, it's actually about whether the current 'situation' is desirable or not. I think you already know from comments that I've made in the Dragons Forum that I'm impressed by the way that you've built/managed your Team. That hasn't changed. So ... just to be explicitly clear .... this isn't about what you (personally) are doing, it's about whether the current situation re OOP Penalty is acceptable (to Admin and the majority of Managers) or not. |
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sfniner08
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posted: 2013-02-19 17:16:42 (ID: 83821) Report Abuse |
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Using the term "cheating" in the context of oop is inappropriate really. There is a penalty for playing out of position. This would mean you can play out of position but it will cost you. Cheating would indicate that you are doing something completely illegal.
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bagss
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posted: 2013-02-27 12:42:11 (ID: 84818) Report Abuse |
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So, is there OOP in Power mode(or any friendly cups) or Scrimmages ? Or is it turn off for this games ?
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Buffalo
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posted: 2013-02-27 14:26:16 (ID: 84829) Report Abuse |
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bagss wrote:
So, is there OOP in Power mode(or any friendly cups) or Scrimmages ? Or is it turn off for this games ? I belive, that the OOP is active in the powermode as like as Assistant Coaches and special traits. This is no official opinion! |
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| posted: 2013-02-27 19:13:58 (ID: 84857) Report Abuse | |
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Buffalo wrote:the OOP is active in the powermode  |
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bagss
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posted: 2013-02-27 19:21:00 (ID: 84860) Report Abuse |
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so just to be sure, there aren't any other game types without OOP involved? ;p
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