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MTS1972
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posted: 2014-01-21 19:58:53 (ID: 100021389) Report Abuse |
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Lets deal in official facts here :
This season : Alfred Morris finished 4th in total yardage from all RBs (behind McCoy, Forte and Charles). No one had more runs of 20-39 yards and only McCoy and Forte had more runs of 20 yards + at all. Only McCoy, Murray and Charles averaged more yards per carry than Morris. Morris had less carries than all top 10 RBs except Charles and Murray. Of all top 10 RBs only Gore has a top 5 QB in rushing attempts as well as Morris. Morris has made the Pro-Bowl. This after a season where Morris (in his rookie season) was second only to Peterson in yards gained, was again in the top 5 of yards per carry, averaged over 100 yards per game, scored more rushing TDs than everyone bar Arian Foster, but again had a running QB who led the NFL in rushing attempts and gained over 800 yards himself. So fair to say he is currently one of the Top 5 RBs in the NFL? I think so. |
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JohnnyAce
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posted: 2014-01-22 01:02:26 (ID: 100021444) Report Abuse |
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i made it to the finals in fantasy football with morris as my main RB. i managed to watch a couple WAS games this past season so yes, i realize his worth. but he was very lucky to remain healthy all season. the skins need much much more than morris to even think about being relevant in the nfc picture in 2014.
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-22 04:12:06 (ID: 100021472) Report Abuse |
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MTS1972 wrote:
Lets deal in official facts here : This season : Alfred Morris finished 4th in total yardage from all RBs (behind McCoy, Forte and Charles). No one had more runs of 20-39 yards and only McCoy and Forte had more runs of 20 yards + at all. Only McCoy, Murray and Charles averaged more yards per carry than Morris. Morris had less carries than all top 10 RBs except Charles and Murray. Of all top 10 RBs only Gore has a top 5 QB in rushing attempts as well as Morris. Morris has made the Pro-Bowl. This after a season where Morris (in his rookie season) was second only to Peterson in yards gained, was again in the top 5 of yards per carry, averaged over 100 yards per game, scored more rushing TDs than everyone bar Arian Foster, but again had a running QB who led the NFL in rushing attempts and gained over 800 yards himself. So fair to say he is currently one of the Top 5 RBs in the NFL? I think so. Not sure why you're counting the running QB as if it made it harder for Morris to run... If anything it makes it easier because the defense has to worry about the QB running too so it's a real 11 vs 11 while most other RBs are actually running 10 vs 11. 
And I gave you proper stats which take into consideration the opposition. Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement: Morris is 13th Defense-adjusted Value Over Average: Morris is 20th Success Rate: Morris is 20th These stats don't take usage into consideration so they're much better than comparing anything where carrying the ball more often means having a greater chance to improve your stats. (i.e: runs of more than 20yds, total rushing yards...) Also, I'm not sure where you saw that only McCoy, Charles and Murray had more yards per carry than Morris but for some reason you left Ellington (5.5), Donald Brown (5.3), Blount (5.0), Montee Ball (4.7) and Matt Forte (4.6+) out. And I only looked at guys with at least 100 carries. That makes Morris #9. Not a top 5 RB in my books and not a top 5 RB by most metrics not favoring players who carry the ball more often. |
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Strange
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posted: 2014-01-22 06:34:59 (ID: 100021494) Report Abuse |
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Take into consideration 2 things:
1: he is a "diehard skins fan" Which indicates he jacks himself off to Griffin III and blowing up any small achievement the redskins make and unable to give an objectionable eye to the truth. 2: he is a brit which means he is bitter and condescending to anyone who doesnt share his opinion. However most brits I have known are a bit more mild and dont like to stir shit, but MTS is at the extreme end. Try being a cowboys fan on this site. You get nothing but unwarranted hate and shit from brits just for liking a team they dont. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-22 06:41:35 (ID: 100021497) Report Abuse |
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Haha
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MTS1972
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posted: 2014-01-22 09:29:11 (ID: 100021537) Report Abuse |
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I respect anybody elses opinion - as long as mine is respected also.
Morris is an excellent RB who I (even if personally) believe is a CURRENT top 5 RB - running behind a very porous O-Line and losing runs and yardage to a QB who runs as well from the read option - especially last season - this is why i point out the fact of how many runs RGIII makes as it takes away hugely from what would be Morris's stats - as opposed to a Murray, Forte, AP or Foster who's QB hardly scramble or run designed plays at all. All stats were taken from NFL.com and comparisons were drawn to other top 10 RBs or those who had been mentioned as being 'better'. If Morris's performance suffers via other subjective ratings, that will be down to Washington's poor performance in other areas rather than his own play. No one can dispute that in the key line stats that most RB's are judged by, Morris has been prominent throughout the NFL and even if you consider others to be 'better' - primarily because they have been around longer and are bigger names - he is still an elite RB in the game today. What other dross do i have to respond to.... Ah, my hatred of Dallas. Yeh - i admit it - i despise them. By default because they are Washington's primary rivals - but also because they have this over inflated opinion of themselves. I compare them to Liverpool FC - a 'soccer' team here in the UK who have not won the domestic league for nigh on a generation now - yet season in season out we hear how this will be their season, how all the plugs have been filled - how past glories will soon be restored - and season in season out they fail spectacularly and for the most part embarrassingly with all manner of excuses and reasons given for it. The simple truth is - you just aint good enough and are a damn ways from being so. Dallas are a very polarised team - especially here in the UK (and from my time in the States pretty much the same there also from what ive seen/heard) - they have a huge fan base - but they also have a huge base of haters because they are a 'love or hate' team. I think Jacksonville have been very astute in making their Cowturds game next season here in the UK as the stadium will be filled with 40% Cowpat fans, 20% Jaguars fans and 40% Cowpat haters dying to see them lose and jeer them as voraciously as possible. As for me being an extreme Brit who gives the smash mouth talk and likes to argue points and give it large - hell yeah I am - im staunch in my beliefs and see no reason why i should not defend them as much. Happy to concede points based on fact and im pretty sure my Admirals colleagues will vouch for the fact im a good sportsman win or lose - but because someones opinion differs from mine doesnt mean ill back down whatsoever!! So bring it on chimps!!!!!! |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-22 12:47:59 (ID: 100021558) Report Abuse |
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I don't think I've disrespected your opinion at any point... I called it biased which I think is a fair statement given that you're loading a player from your favorite team.
Out of curiosity who are the other 4 members of your RB top 5 then? |
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MTS1972
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posted: 2014-01-22 13:10:33 (ID: 100021559) Report Abuse |
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I dont think im biased at all - yes he is a Redskin but i dont rate every Redskin as a top 5 player in the NFL in their position - i think he has put up excellent key stats in what has been (this season) a desperate team, and as a feature back is one of the elite. And i believe his statline backs this up. 4th and 2nd in his 2 years in yardage gained (which is the primary stat looked at for RBs) cannot be denied. IMO.
You have only disrespected my opinion by saying its based on his uniform - whereas i believe im calling it based on fact. I would say that the top 5 RBs in the NFL currently are - in no particular order : Peterson Foster Charles McCoy Morris However i would also add that there are several more that would also be classed as elite - Forte, Lynch, Murray to mention but three that would grace any team. Just think for what Morris has done in 2 seasons in a team like the Redskins - and he has been selected for the ProBowl this week (for whatever that is worth). Not bad for the 20th best RB in the NFL.....seems most wouldnt agree with that rating! Where would you place him then if you look at things objectionably and bear the stats i have presented in mind? And currently - not based on the last 5 years! |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2014-01-22 14:25:44 (ID: 100021563) Report Abuse |
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I'd say he's maybe a low top 10 RB, most definitely top 15 but certainly not top 5. And I'm not sure why you're dismissing the Redskins Oline, it was ranked #3 or 4 by PFF which imo provides the best rankings available.
And total rushing yards is a terrible stat to rank RBs imo, just because your HC gives you the ball more often doesn't make you a better back than a guy who's in a pass first offense for example. And what makes you place Morris ahead of Forte? Even looking at the stat you listed Forte's had a better year. Morris: 1,275 rushing yards, 4.6ypc, 7TD Forte: 1,339yds, 4.6ypc, 9 TD. Forte also had 516 more receiving yards than Morris. Which brings me to another ranking, yards from scrimmage. Why don't you use that instead of rushing yards alone to judge the best RBs? After all, if other backs are better pass catchers than Morris it should be taken into consideration, shouldn't it? fwiw I just checked and Morris is 12th RB in the league in total yards from scrimmage and 15th RB in yds from scrimmage per game. So the only stat in which he breaks the top 5 is in total rushing yards but that's mostly due to the fact that Shanahan gave him the ball a bunch. |
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MTS1972
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posted: 2014-01-22 16:41:18 (ID: 100021575) Report Abuse |
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He gets the ball so much, as said earlier, he had one of the least amount of carries in all top 10 rated RBs for yardage?
Washington very often abandoned the running game because we were behind so often so went to RGIII's arm (!). Each to their own - you are demeaning my view of a player yet saying hes not far shy of a top 5 place anyway. Stats are all subjective and as we know can be used to prove or disprove pretty much anything - if you dont rate him thats fair enough - but i stand by my arguments and havent seen anything to dissuade me otherwise. And that isnt (just) because he is a Redskin. There arent many Redskins i actually rate that highly - Morris, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Trent Williams - Jordan Reed showed promise - the rest are fairly ordinary at best - giving due deference to London Fletcher who i think we all agree has been a consummate professional and deserves nothing but full respect. |
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