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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-04-22 07:42:24 (ID: 92706) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
holmeboy wrote:
Now we just need Hosh to agree 
Sorry. All I have to say is Marcus Allen. Or name a host of rookies who enter the NFL and excel from the get go. That is not to say they don't improve with time, but I agree with Panoramix 100%. A player should be ~ 4.5 EXP after 5 seasons as a starter. What about all the plays he gets as a junior? The other thing about this is that it renders the skills a bit meaningless. It makes the game too much about EXP and not enough about skills. It's like happiness in Civ5!
PS - Civ 6 should be renamed to "Happiness 6". Maybe RZA shoud be renamed to EA - EXP Action?  A 5* EXP player should have experienced everything a player can go through in his career more than once to have the "perfect" experience. I have seen players here excel from the start of their careers and like you used Marcus Allen as an example sure he come out all systems blazing but if you asked him would he say he was an experienced pro after a season or two? Experience is subjective and would you say a player with three seasons experience with your side is as experienced as a player with three seasons experience with Panoramix for example. Sure you both had players who experienced three seasons of playoff action but surely Panoramix's players should gain more experience for having played at the higher level? Last edited on 2013-04-22 07:43:15 by bwadders76 |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-04-22 15:11:58 (ID: 92788) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
hosh13 wrote:
holmeboy wrote:
Now we just need Hosh to agree
Sorry. All I have to say is Marcus Allen. Or name a host of rookies who enter the NFL and excel from the get go. That is not to say they don't improve with time, but I agree with Panoramix 100%. A player should be ~ 4.5 EXP after 5 seasons as a starter. What about all the plays he gets as a junior? The other thing about this is that it renders the skills a bit meaningless. It makes the game too much about EXP and not enough about skills. It's like happiness in Civ5!
PS - Civ 6 should be renamed to "Happiness 6". Maybe RZA shoud be renamed to EA - EXP Action? A 5* EXP player should have experienced everything a player can go through in his career more than once to have the "perfect" experience. I have seen players here excel from the start of their careers and like you used Marcus Allen as an example sure he come out all systems blazing but if you asked him would he say he was an experienced pro after a season or two? Experience is subjective and would you say a player with three seasons experience with your side is as experienced as a player with three seasons experience with Panoramix for example. Sure you both had players who experienced three seasons of playoff action but surely Panoramix's players should gain more experience for having played at the higher level? Higher level? I'm in Div 1 now. I would be all for playoff games yielding more EXP - maybe 1.5 - 2 times normal. I think if a player's been starting for ~ 4 seasons then he should have ~ 4* EXP. As it stands, EXP is the dominant factor over the skills. This sets up unrealistic and bad scenarios to. Instead of developing EXP you basically need to buy it. That's absurd. It is probably best right now to simply play your starters all the time so they get all the EXP points and then just hope you don't get injuries, because your backups probably won't have much EXP. There is little point giving backups any playing time since the little they get will take seasons to net any EXP gain. |
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Nogard
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posted: 2013-04-22 15:35:24 (ID: 92791) Report Abuse |
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Who says exp is the dominat factor over skills?
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-04-22 15:35:44 (ID: 92792) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
bwadders76 wrote:
hosh13 wrote:
holmeboy wrote:
Now we just need Hosh to agree
Sorry. All I have to say is Marcus Allen. Or name a host of rookies who enter the NFL and excel from the get go. That is not to say they don't improve with time, but I agree with Panoramix 100%. A player should be ~ 4.5 EXP after 5 seasons as a starter. What about all the plays he gets as a junior? The other thing about this is that it renders the skills a bit meaningless. It makes the game too much about EXP and not enough about skills. It's like happiness in Civ5!
PS - Civ 6 should be renamed to "Happiness 6". Maybe RZA shoud be renamed to EA - EXP Action? A 5* EXP player should have experienced everything a player can go through in his career more than once to have the "perfect" experience. I have seen players here excel from the start of their careers and like you used Marcus Allen as an example sure he come out all systems blazing but if you asked him would he say he was an experienced pro after a season or two? Experience is subjective and would you say a player with three seasons experience with your side is as experienced as a player with three seasons experience with Panoramix for example. Sure you both had players who experienced three seasons of playoff action but surely Panoramix's players should gain more experience for having played at the higher level? Higher level? I'm in Div 1 now. I would be all for playoff games yielding more EXP - maybe 1.5 - 2 times normal. I think if a player's been starting for ~ 4 seasons then he should have ~ 4* EXP. As it stands, EXP is the dominant factor over the skills. This sets up unrealistic and bad scenarios to. Instead of developing EXP you basically need to buy it. That's absurd. It is probably best right now to simply play your starters all the time so they get all the EXP points and then just hope you don't get injuries, because your backups probably won't have much EXP. There is little point giving backups any playing time since the little they get will take seasons to net any EXP gain. Here we go again someone disagrees with Hosh and the steam is blowing from his ears and we will get post after post until we ignore him and then he will claim victory and all disagreements have been blown out of the water. You're in Div 1 now for several seasons you have been trying to get up but haven't made it why should your starters have more experience than a player who has been in Div 1 for three seasons? One game in Div 1 doesn't make your players experienced at the top level though. It's like any sport. Why? please explain. 4 seasons playing gains four levels of experience. So really any 18 year old on the draftboard would have maxed experience by the time they was 24 which is strange considering your example Marcus Allen is the exception not the norm. For every Marcus Allen there are 100 players probably 1,000 who just don't have the experience of these types of players My opinion and it appears to be that of the majority is that a 5* experience player would have needed to have seen practically everything in the sport. High, lows, blowout wins, narrow losses, playoffs, bowls, major injuries, loss of form. Sport at the very top is down to mental toughness which comes down to experience. On your logic most players in RZA will have 5* experience now and that certainly doesn't sound right. Players have to enter the senior ranks with some experience and here will have a career of up to 15 seasons (enter the seniors from the draft at 19 and retire at 34) so 1 star every 3 seasons would sound about right to me. If they have a shorter career than that oh well those are the breaks. Last edited on 2013-04-22 15:37:24 by bwadders76 |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-04-22 15:37:53 (ID: 92793) Report Abuse |
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Nogard wrote:
Who says exp is the dominat factor over skills? Hosh did it's in his post so it must be true |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-04-22 15:57:02 (ID: 92802) Report Abuse |
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Nogard wrote:
Who says exp is the dominat factor over skills? EXP multiplies skills, so of course it's the dominant factor. Every player has 3 or 4 skills relevant to his position and EXP dilutes them all. I have been here long enough to notice as well - EXP has a huge effect on player performance. Much more than any other single thing. Low PC would be a good comparison. |
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hosh13 wrote:
Nogard wrote:
Who says exp is the dominat factor over skills? EXP multiplies skills, so of course it's the dominant factor. Every player has 3 or 4 skills relevant to his position and EXP dilutes them all. I have been here long enough to notice as well - EXP has a huge effect on player performance. Much more than any other single thing. Low PC would be a good comparison. Just for your reference: "multiply" is basically right, since it is a factor. But dont expect this factor to be something like " * 2 "...Dominant...that is not something I could measure. I would call it maybe important, but dominant  Last edited on 2013-04-22 15:59:44 by pete |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-04-22 16:03:35 (ID: 92804) Report Abuse |
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btw, who here says EXP should increase no faster when it's low than when it's high?
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posted: 2013-04-22 16:05:21 (ID: 92805) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
btw, who here says EXP should increase no faster when it's low than when it's high? Everyone in the Northern Hemisphere |
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Nogard
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posted: 2013-04-22 16:08:00 (ID: 92807) Report Abuse |
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thats how I think about it too, pete. it is important not dominant.
physicals for example are completely not influenced by exp. |
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