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C17Ajax
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posted: 2013-05-06 16:21:40 (ID: 94974) Report Abuse |
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It takes 1 season to max the financial engine/infrastructure with a 144K stadium, staff, maxed academy, facilities, and a coaching staff in place.
It takes 10+ seasons to match an existing teams draft players (basically the oldest ones need to be retiring to catch up). I would say a little deductive reasoning shows catching up on players is the long-term challenge, after the single-season short-term discipline of building is completed. |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-06 16:30:32 (ID: 94976) Report Abuse |
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At the end of next season you will see some of the 23 year olds drafted in the first draft start to retire.
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C17Ajax
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posted: 2013-05-06 16:36:37 (ID: 94979) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
At the end of next season you will see some of the 23 year olds drafted in the first draft start to retire. Exactly, figure an average draft age of 22 and an average retirement of 32ish give or take a season. That currently sets your "catch up" time. Gold players help to aid in this problem some. Personally I think Bot teams should retain their drafted players for the newbies. Then when someone signed up they would at least get a complement of draft-quality players (although based on dubious/random draft picking). But that would be a very big change to the current Bot philosophy which I know has been discussed extensively before... |
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MTS1972
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posted: 2013-05-06 16:48:02 (ID: 94980) Report Abuse |
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C17Ajax wrote:
I would say a little deductive reasoning shows catching up on players is the long-term challenge, after the single-season short-term discipline of building is completed. Thats exactly right - but i think is what ISNT happening. Case in point - Telford Storm - in their 3rd season in 1.1 league - yet have a stadium in the mid 60ks. I dont know how many seasons they were in 2.x before promotion. Their team is decent; 9-7 record last season and all mid 50s - but for how long can they survive with just a 60k stadium? Im all for managers making their own decisions and how they choose to play the game - my personal view though is that there are so many 'Gold' players being taken with such frequency, that potentially they are doing more harm to the game - and new teams especially - than good. |
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CarpeDM
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posted: 2013-05-06 18:37:27 (ID: 94993) Report Abuse |
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MTS1972 wrote:
Case in point - Telford Storm - in their 3rd season in 1.1 league - yet have a stadium in the mid 60ks. I dont know how many seasons they were in 2.x before promotion. Their team is decent; 9-7 record last season and all mid 50s - but for how long can they survive with just a 60k stadium? I strongly doubt that Telfords not maxed stadium and at some point upcoming financial issues will be a result of going crazy on the TM especially in regards of Gold players. THe problem here is just people not realizing how important working on your stadium until its maxed is. I agree with you that some of the financial problems of teams are being caused by TM frenzy, but i doubt that its the newbie teams spending to much. From what i ve seen its rather halfway established 2.x Teams that invest int a bunch of players with 40+ skills (possibly some of them franchise ones where they cant see the expected weekly wages) and getting killed by the regular salary rather then the amount spend for buying the players. One good example was Lostregos in Admiral 2.1 who if i recall right had to 45+skill QBs and a bunch of similar caliber WR. Had to sell half their team now and are rebuilding. But seriously i dont think this is a issue of Goldplayers killing the market, but rather a issue of people not understanding the management part of the game properly. But one suggestion from my side that i would like to put into the discussion is bringing in a salarycap(or at least weekly salary for single layers) that is manager license based not only limiting the TM price through the license |
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MTS1972
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posted: 2013-05-06 22:13:27 (ID: 95001) Report Abuse |
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From my opening post
"and distracting them from the rudiments of the game to become established." in times gone by 'Gold' Players on the TM were going for 100/150m - meaning new clubs were out of the equation anyway. Nowadays, they can be gained for anywhere between 10-50m - so much more accessible - but also puts wage bills well out of kilter - so new teams have lower bank balances but higher expenses. Bad news in itself - but this temptation to get these prized players for managers and get success quicker just distracts them from building a sold base for thr future. Hell, you yourself got into financial trouble because you utilised the TM too much!!! Just my POV - maybe its not as bad as perceived - but i really dont think it does new teams/managers any favours. |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-06 22:26:03 (ID: 95002) Report Abuse |
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The scary thing is that the established sides are avoiding the 45-50 skilled players and its the newer sides footing the bills. Some can afford it but most cant.
Draft QBs have never fetched huge money but I got one for $500k the other week. Some positions are still earning a premium though |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-07 02:08:32 (ID: 95006) Report Abuse |
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MTS1972 wrote:
They can close the gap teams/rating was - but not club overall wise - and as has been seen, they are too focused on too freely available Gold players, and dont concentrate on the basics/fundamentals which is needed - then wonder why they are in financial trouble. Simply closing the gap players wise is not what this long term management game is all about - id have thought even someone as deluded as yourself would see that. You've come up with a few exceptions and think you've found the rule - speaking of "deluded"! 
But feel free to continue to support your lazy minded brethren!  |
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razor34
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posted: 2013-05-07 02:47:38 (ID: 95008) Report Abuse |
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It's so hard to reign the horses back in when you first sign up for an online my time "enjoyment" game. You inherit Crud initially and take a handfull of spankings. You worry where your first point is going to come from...score a FG , a TD,....... 2,3,4,5....games a win. Might be a bot, but what a feeling.
Point is. Bastaard of a day in work. You want to come home and connect to a release mechanism. Not start work all over again. Everyone knows that your inherited punter will probably be your best QB or MLB early doors. Maybe a new owner could retain 1/2 draft acquisitions of the team inherited that season. Instant fundamental understanding of players and positions and hence a foothold /base to click your heels and build your `Franchise`. I remember bidding for <30 physical and skill players`cos they were a vast improvement on what was left of my roster. You have to. I think a slight player retainer gives hope and feeds the hungry.
P.S. If I don't make sense It's cos I'm pissed. |
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scottishbronco
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posted: 2013-05-07 05:37:22 (ID: 95013) Report Abuse |
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you make a good point Razor...drunk or not
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