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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2013-05-11 22:07:11 (ID: 95456) Report Abuse |
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funny game
I'm sorry but this is why I still get so made and up set at this game. 5-3-3 and my passing game against it was no where to be found and yet he pass near 200 yards against the 3-4 against the wish bone. I'm sorry but something is just flawed here. |
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C17Ajax
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posted: 2013-05-11 22:41:58 (ID: 95462) Report Abuse |
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His defensive ratings appear significantly better than yours- - that probably contributed...
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2013-05-11 23:00:00 (ID: 95467) Report Abuse |
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I'm sorry even Sanzhiz can find a hole that big open when it come to a 4wr vs a 5-3-3.
I'm sorry but football phyicals say a real olb can not macth up on WRs all day and not give up big plays. And with no help over top. And look at this Wisbone a run formation bet my 3-4-4 deep for two 50+yard plays come on. |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-11 23:26:05 (ID: 95473) Report Abuse |
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Andrew makes a very valid point, in real football no way a OLB could keep up with WR's all game long and not get burned. Infact a smart QB would always be taking advantage of those missmatches. Using RZA's new feature to compare formations it helps to make it clear the kind of missmatches those two formations should originate when going head to head.
 Source: http://i44.tinypic.com/acag7c.png As the image show there are only two CB's in the 5-3-3, so that makes the OLB's job to cover two WR's one from each side...sure they have help of the FS, but even if he's playing deep there's no way that in a real football game the WR's wouldn't beat the OLB's 8 out of 10 times and go for huge gains. Problem in RZA is that players can have very similar builds reguardless of position (we had a discusion on this already so I'll spare details), a OLB can (and most do) have the same speed of a Speedster WR or a CB. So naturaly the missmatch that we expect to see in real life game isn't there do to this, if the OLB's have the speed to keep up with the WR's they can chase them downfield and prevent big plays just like if they were a CB guarding a WR. |
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E Logic
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posted: 2013-05-12 00:11:23 (ID: 95476) Report Abuse |
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in real life u would be correct but in RZA a LB can have very similar physicals as a CB and usually more strenth. But I agree that there should be more of an advantage playing with 4 WR against 2 CB.
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Somebody (Ajax) pointed out that the defense had significantly better rating that the offense. So if we factor in that disparity, do you think a Pro OLB could cover a college WR?
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-12 04:30:46 (ID: 95486) Report Abuse |
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If the WRs just run a straight route is it conceivable that one top quality CB could split two WRs being able to jump in and break up plays?
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C17Ajax
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posted: 2013-05-12 04:38:00 (ID: 95488) Report Abuse |
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Solana_Steve wrote:
Somebody pointed out that the defense had significantly better rating that the offense. So if we factor in that disparity, do you think a Pro OLB could cover a college WR? Steve SD Blitz Exactly. Ever watch MLB pros take a rehab with AA? Looks like batting practice half the time No disrespect to your team- - if he'd been playing mine I'd have been lit up far worse.  Last edited on 2013-05-12 04:40:22 by C17Ajax |
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canonico
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posted: 2013-05-12 05:26:17 (ID: 95491) Report Abuse |
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I don't think that's it at all. Ratings are not the be all end all. But looking at each team rating in that particular game, the HF pass defense shows a rating of 67.7% (Does that account for LB's even?). While the WvB pass offense rating is 61.6% (Damn good pass offense rating if you ask me). I decided to go a step further and scouted all of the LB's from HF and all the WR's from WvB team. Also scouted the main QB of WvB and he is elite. The #2 only took 10 snaps in that game.
Anyways here is the scouting on Speed, Strength, Agility, Inteligence for the LB's and Catching for the WR's. And yes, there are more to it than this skills, I know. But for this comparison exercise I don't think they are needed, we are talking about speed/acceleration to either get by a LB and/or to keep up with a WR. I'll let everyone gather their own conclusions.  Source: http://i39.tinypic.com/2hczy38.png  Source: http://i42.tinypic.com/5ajl7p.png Note - Players with an "X" mean that they played in the game in question. Without "X" did not. |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-12 05:32:23 (ID: 95492) Report Abuse |
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Just mentioned this in another thread. I think you need to remember that with the WB the SFs need to honour backs out of the backfield, so every now and then the SF is not over the top. Or the LB honours the back and the SF misses the tackle.
But I do agree about the 5-3 (or 4-4) vs the passing game in general. Check this out! "14:25 1 and 10 to go on opp 42, Frederico Mascarenhas (OC) snaps the ball to Javier Comstock (QB), Javier Comstock (QB) selected Carroll Rauch (WR/L) as target, Robert Pederson (DE/L) breaks through the line, the pass goes outer left to the receiver, who catches the ball, Kris Bauer (FS/C) tackled him, forward progress: 10 yards, New first down (I-formation vs. 4-4-3) more" That is one smart and/or fast FS/c !
imo, this tackle should have been made after a 20-40yd gain. |
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