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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-13 03:45:04 (ID: 95577) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
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Plenty of missmatches there if you ask me. The LB's lack speed when compared to the WR's. The two fastest LB's on HF didn't even played. Having a WR with 49 speed beeing covered by a LB with 37 speed, shouldnt that be a missmatch? Shouldn't the WR go by the LB? I think so. But all this could mean nothing if WvB was using short passes all game, aldo on 3rd down the QB seeks the necessary yardage for a 1st down (I think). Anyways small sample size to make more of it than just a healthy discussion. To me there is an obvious problem here - pass med/long. If they worked properly, or the engine took advantage of such mismatches itself, then the 4-4 and 5-3 would disappear in std situations - as they should. Also, Os need to be able to audible if the D puts in unbalanced Ds like that. Irl an O would audible to deep outside passes nearly all the time, and every time a WR made a play - - - - > TD. Again, as it should be. I agree with medium and long passing but the audible situation creates it's own problem. Bringing that in will lead to defenses adjusting to prevent long TDs then we will go back to season 5 of 95% rushing. Why try to hit 60% completions when I can rush 50 times for an average of 7 yards a carry? |
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posted: 2013-05-13 04:18:25 (ID: 95578) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
I agree with medium and long passing but the audible situation creates it's own problem. Bringing that in will lead to defenses adjusting to prevent long TDs then we will go back to season 5 of 95% rushing. Why try to hit 60% completions when I can rush 50 times for an average of 7 yards a carry? 7yds / carry vs 3-4 and 4-3? |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-13 04:20:15 (ID: 95579) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
bwadders76 wrote:
I agree with medium and long passing but the audible situation creates it's own problem. Bringing that in will lead to defenses adjusting to prevent long TDs then we will go back to season 5 of 95% rushing. Why try to hit 60% completions when I can rush 50 times for an average of 7 yards a carry? 7yds / carry vs 3-4 and 4-3? The 4-3 is a license to print TDs and yes vs 4-3 and 3-4 |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-13 04:22:43 (ID: 95580) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
hosh13 wrote:
bwadders76 wrote:
I agree with medium and long passing but the audible situation creates it's own problem. Bringing that in will lead to defenses adjusting to prevent long TDs then we will go back to season 5 of 95% rushing. Why try to hit 60% completions when I can rush 50 times for an average of 7 yards a carry? 7yds / carry vs 3-4 and 4-3? The 4-3 is a license to print TDs and yes vs 4-3 and 3-4 So then isn't the solution simply that those Ds need tweaking (assuming they give up 7yds per carry, which they don't anyway). |
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bwadders76
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posted: 2013-05-13 04:32:55 (ID: 95581) Report Abuse |
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hosh13 wrote:
bwadders76 wrote:
hosh13 wrote:
bwadders76 wrote:
I agree with medium and long passing but the audible situation creates it's own problem. Bringing that in will lead to defenses adjusting to prevent long TDs then we will go back to season 5 of 95% rushing. Why try to hit 60% completions when I can rush 50 times for an average of 7 yards a carry? 7yds / carry vs 3-4 and 4-3? The 4-3 is a license to print TDs and yes vs 4-3 and 3-4 So then isn't the solution simply that those Ds need tweaking (assuming they give up 7yds per carry, which they don't anyway). Dont they? I don't like your schedules then  |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-20 09:53:27 (ID: 96278) Report Abuse |
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bwadders76 wrote:
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Plenty of missmatches there if you ask me. The LB's lack speed when compared to the WR's. The two fastest LB's on HF didn't even played. Having a WR with 49 speed beeing covered by a LB with 37 speed, shouldnt that be a missmatch? Shouldn't the WR go by the LB? I think so. But all this could mean nothing if WvB was using short passes all game, aldo on 3rd down the QB seeks the necessary yardage for a 1st down (I think). Anyways small sample size to make more of it than just a healthy discussion. LBs are a little deeper than a CB would normally be then also throw into the fact that the passing is likely to be short then having 49 SPD isn't that much of an advantage. Lets try to put some numbers to it then. A 0 speed player runs at 75% of the speed of a player with 50 for speed. So someone who has 37 speed would in fact run at 93% of the 50 speed player. Over 100 yards that would mean that there would be a 7 yard advantage for the faster player. A QB throws a short pass aiming for a first down on short passes and looking at the game in question the longest the Bobcats were from a first down when passing was 10 yards. This would mean that the 50 speed player would have an advantage of just 0.7 yards if they lined up together. But they don't there has to be a minimum of 1 yard separation when the ball is snapped so the LB would still be at least level with the WR when the QB released the pass. Excellent post! I had never thought about calculating the advantage in terms of yards the way you did, thanks for that 
Also, now that you did the maths this made me realise that the difference between a 50 speed guy and a very average player might not be as important as it should be... I've done the same calculations you did using NFL combine 40 yards dash times. Fastest ever: Chris Johnson 4.24 We'll consider that he would be the equivalent of a 50 speed player in RZA. The fastest LB at the combine this year was Zaviar Gooden who clocked in at 4.47 which is 5.4% slower than CJ2K. This would be equivalent to 39.2 speed in RZA. The 5th fastest LB at the combine (Sio Moore) clocked in at 4.65 which is 9.7% slower than CJ2K. This would be equivalent to 30.6 speed in RZA. So the 5th fastest drafted LB this year wouldn't even come close to the minimum cap of 35 in RZA if proportions remained the same. That's what is making me think that there might not be enough difference in RZA between elite speed guys and the rest of the field. It's like if Von Miller tried to cover DeSean Jackson basically, Miller's fast and one of the best OLBs in the league but there's no way he'd ever be able to cover a pure speed guy running a route. Source for all stats and numbers: http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2011&workout=BENCH_PRESS&position=LB |
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| posted: 2013-05-20 10:02:00 (ID: 96281) Report Abuse | |
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in rza 25 speed is not the half of 50 speed!
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-20 10:09:32 (ID: 96283) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
in rza 25 speed is not the half of 50 speed! I know, that's how I made the calculations posted above. A guy with 0 speed in RZA actually has 75% of a 50 speed guy, right? Therefore a 0 speed guy is 25% slower than a 50 speed guy... So someone 10% slower than the fastest guy would have 30 speed... Or am I calculating something wrong? |
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| posted: 2013-05-20 10:22:23 (ID: 96284) Report Abuse | |
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the question is: is 5 secs 25% slower than 4 secs? mathematically may be...do you get what i mean? asked the other way: what is the possible slowest?
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-20 10:46:42 (ID: 96287) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
the question is: is 5 secs 25% slower than 4 secs? mathematically may be...do you get what i mean? asked the other way: what is the possible slowest? If we consider Chris Johnson' 4.24 time to be 50 speed in RZA here are the 40 times players would post based on their RZA speed skill. 40 Dash - RZA Speed 4.24 - 50 4.35 - 45 4.45 - 40 4.56 - 35 4.66 - 30 4.77 - 25 4.88 - 20 4.98 - 15 5.09 - 10 5.19 - 5 5.30 - 0 If you take into consideration the fact that every RZA player can at least reach 35 in speed it means that every player in the RZA world can run the 40 yard dash in 4.56 seconds or less. I personally think that's way too fast, especially for strong heavy guys. |
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