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Poll: How should the manual describe which skills are important for which action on the field?,
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2013-05-30 07:32:04 (ID: 97470) Report Abuse | ||||||||||
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Like your description on positioning you could clear things up be simple stating in the manual .
Manual as written for positioning Positioning is the skill which helps each player to enter his spot on the field or to run his route. It is also important for a defender to determine on which side of the attacker he should participate in the play. So by description the positioning only has two jobs 1 route running 2 the D player be position right on the field at the snap of the ball So by description this skill only effects presnap for D So if I understand what positioning really effect the description should be be like so.Opinion ( that means not fact and unsure) Positioning is the skill which helps all players to line in the correct spot (pre-snap) And helps receivers run routes.It also play a role in the the defending of a pass and run by letting your defender have better pursue angles to the ball And does not effect the act of running or passing the ball Last edited on 2013-05-30 07:37:53 by andrew2scott2 |
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andrew2scott2
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posted: 2013-05-30 07:33:07 (ID: 97471) Report Abuse | ||||||||||
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pete wrote:
But if we say "on a punt you need tackling, carrying and passing"...wouldn't it be like "left left straight right goal"? Ok back UP ....... My question is why would the act of punting take tackling You have made it clear how counter productive it would be to list ever thing in a play by postions So list it by action (passing,punting,pass defenive,...) or improve the very poor description which you currently have for skills Which leaves alot of questions Last edited on 2013-05-30 07:42:16 by andrew2scott2 |
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alexshans84
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posted: 2013-05-30 07:54:48 (ID: 97473) Report Abuse | ||||||||||
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andrew2scott2 wrote:
So list it by action (passing,punting,pass defenive,...) or improve the very poor description which you currently have for skills Which leaves alot of questions  again |
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hosh13
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posted: 2013-05-30 11:13:25 (ID: 97483) Report Abuse | ||||||||||
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It's a stupid waste of people's time to be potentially training something that is completely non applicable.
We don't need or want a % importance breakdown - just what does 0%. |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-30 14:32:56 (ID: 97490) Report Abuse | ||||||||||
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The problem is that we can't really test it out for ourselves.
Example, I have 2 QBs with similar INT, TW and Physicals... I train them both up in PAS/VIS... Then I want to check if QBs use POS or FOO... it'd take me at least 2 full seasons to get one of them high enough POS and the other high enough FOO... Then I could play 100 games and scrimmages with each QB, compare the stats and my sample size would always be too small to make a definitive statement, the defenders faced wouldn't be exactly the same and would therefore affect the results, the WRs might also drop more or less passes coming from one QB... Apparently the argument is that this is part of the fun... I don't necessarily agree with that. If you had a line in the manual saying "QBs use POS but not FOO" or whatever the truth may be I don't think this game would be any less fun. The fun is watching your team improve, watching your players perform and develop, improving your playbook, finding holes in your opponent's playbook, re-arranging your depth chart to match a certain situation, checking your team's stats... not guessing whether in RZA QBs need footwork or not... especially for this example I would say as irl it's obvious that QBs need footwork and in RZA you hear vets argue that it's pointless and as I said above there's no way for any of us to know for sure. Just my 2 cents. |
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| posted: 2013-05-30 15:03:48 (ID: 97492) Report Abuse | |||||||||||
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Why there has to be a chance to proof it? Just use your logic, and if your logic tells you that QB need FOO, then go for it. You might have success if it is true, and be the winner...you might have made a wrong guess, then others will win. That's the idea of gaming.
After all, this isn't a math simulation where the guy with the best calculator wins. I would understand the fuss if we don't tell anything about the skills, but if you check the manual there are so many hints when to use which skill! For FOO we tell you: Footwork is the skill to determine how stable a guy is on his feet. Tackles and Blocks at the LOS are well supported by footwork. Tackles besides the ones on the LOS might benefit from Footwork, too. If you think, based on that description, it is a good idea to go for FOO training on your QB...then do it. You cannot harm yourself, your team or others if you do so. |
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| posted: 2013-05-30 15:39:19 (ID: 97496) Report Abuse | |||||||||||
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Pollmania...
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| posted: 2013-05-30 15:42:05 (ID: 97497) Report Abuse | |||||||||||
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Btw: we will make the names public of those voting "What are skills"
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Buddy Ryan
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posted: 2013-05-30 16:02:36 (ID: 97499) Report Abuse | ||||||||||
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I voted "as it is today" because i have come to peace with the principle and think its for the best of the game. that doesnt mean tough that I'm totally happy about some of the current descriptions. some got a do-over (AGI, POS...) and are fine now, but others are still weird and contradictionary, like this:
"Carrying helps Running backs, Wide receivers and Tight ends to carry the ball through the defensive lines." so Carrying helps like almost everybody, except Full Backs? (I know it does and it is "logical", but still, if you start listing positions for a skill, it shouldnt leave some out, it just generates useless discussions...) I think you could be a little more precise tough, because this game wont lose its excitement if the players know a little more about what they are doing - there are still lots of decisions to make (which ones of the 2-3 skills/ 2-3 physicals every position needs is of higher priority to me? and so on) lots of options and different paths to success.... Last edited on 2013-05-30 16:15:32 by Buddy Ryan |
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Meitheisman
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posted: 2013-05-30 16:18:53 (ID: 97501) Report Abuse | ||||||||||
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pete wrote:
For FOO we tell you: Footwork is the skill to determine how stable a guy is on his feet. Tackles and Blocks at the LOS are well supported by footwork. Tackles besides the ones on the LOS might benefit from Footwork, too. If you think, based on that description, it is a good idea to go for FOO training on your QB...then do it. You cannot harm yourself, your team or others if you do so. Based on the description above one could assume that every player needs footwork, a more stable QB means a better pass, a more stable RB/WR means that it'll be harder to tackle him, a more stable defender means a better chance to make a tackle... And if this is not true for certain positions then I'd be harming my team by training useless skills on a player, it's like if I trained passing for my OLs or kicking for my CBs. Also, for the poll I don't really see the difference between option 2 and 3... I think you sometimes make your polls too complicated, imo you should try to make them "yes/no" questions as often as possible because it gives clearer results. Here for example I'd have asked something along the lines of "Should we list the skills needed for each position/action? i.e: QB needs skill X, Y and Z. Supporting skills are U, V and W" - Yes - No (keep as is) - I don't care |
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