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Kottan
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posted: 2024-06-17 20:13:48 (ID: 100184659) Report Abuse
In my today's Super Cup game (Game ID: 101176339) my OC Stephen Engel was injured in Q2. So my substitute in the depth chart played for OC Klemens Schmidt. Now Stephen Engel is back at the end of the second quarter, that's how the message came in the game. But the substitute OC Klemens Schmidt played on the field until the end of the game.

Is it a bug if the number 1 in the depth chart is fit to play again but is no longer in the game?

Thanks Kottan
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posted: 2024-06-17 20:36:47 (ID: 100184661) Report Abuse
If there is no substitution reason, no substitution happens. Means, as long as the exchanged player is OK given on your energy rules, this player stays on field.
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posted: 2024-06-17 20:42:34 (ID: 100184662) Report Abuse
But Stephen Engel is marked in the depth chart as a first string player? Why isn't he playing anymore?
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posted: 2024-06-18 13:04:53 (ID: 100184669) Report Abuse
Once again.

I don't want to complain or protest here. I just want to understand.
As an OC, I have 2 players in my depth chart:

1 Stephen Engel OC s e l e c t as first string player
2 Klemens Schmidt OC not selected

First my #1 gets injured and is replaced by #2. Then #1 is fit again at the end of the first half, but in the second half only #2 from the depth chart continues to play in the game. Why is the recovered player no longer taken into account?
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posted: 2024-06-18 13:16:49 (ID: 100184671) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
If there is no substitution reason, no substitution happens. Means, as long as the exchanged player is OK given on your energy rules, this player stays on field.
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posted: 2024-06-18 19:23:14 (ID: 100184675) Report Abuse
Yes, exactly. If thereis no trigger, no substition happens. Please translate "first string" into "Starting player not bound to energy based substitutions".
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posted: 2024-06-18 20:39:55 (ID: 100184676) Report Abuse
OK, and thank you. Please close this thread.
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posted: 2024-06-19 10:22:41 (ID: 100184687) Report Abuse
Btw, a valid but questionalbe action would be to raise the energy barrier for substitution to crazy levels, so you would force the non-first-string player back to the bench this way.
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posted: 2024-06-19 18:37:36 (ID: 100184695) Report Abuse
I said all I would have to contribute. Maybe Kottan should check if the settings were as he wants those settings to have, and if the player has DC entries for other positions and maybe was on the field of that other position. I cannot add anything to this.
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posted: 2024-06-21 06:52:49 (ID: 100184714) Report Abuse
Pete's first point was essentially that the game engine checks the substitution rules at a point when a substitution would be made and not before every play.

In this case the first stringer had a forced substitution at the point they were injured. If the second player never reaches a substitution point because their energy didn't drop to the level set in the match settings (At which level of Fitness / Energy you want start to substitute your players?).

This means that the "check for first string" algorithm was never triggered so the reverse substitution never took place.

Pete's second point was that if you set that substitution energy level high then that check is made more often. One's players will then be checked against it more often. Of course everyone in ever position cycles faster at that point and this may not be what is desired for other reasons. My players generally cycle fast enough to play a fairly even number of snaps across a game.

In summary, if you don't want this to happen to your first stringers, set the substitution energy level high rather than low. It won't force the first stringers to be subbed out, but it will get them subbed back in after injuries.

Dumbarajko wrote:
I still don't get it.

Players marked as first string are by the rules:
"If you tick the "first string player" tick-box, this player will be preferred by the engine, no matter what else you set for substitutions in your depth chart or match-settings. If more than one player has the settings active, the engine will pick the first-string player having the highest in-game energy. The only chance for a substitution by using non-first-stringers is then if the first-string-players gets injured."

If I understand right first string player got injured, replacement came in since it must came in, first string player recovered from injury and never got back in the game.

In my experience first string player plays all the snaps if he is healthy all the time no matter what other settings are. And he always immediately come back to the game after recovering. No matter how low his PC is and what are rules for substitutions.

So really don't get it why Kottan player hasn't came back to the game.
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