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sh8888
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posted: 2012-11-14 11:04:10 (ID: 68368) Report Abuse |
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Turtle wrote here (some months ago) that he thought some WR's who were one-skilled in Catching, seemed to be very effective........but I wasn't so sure, however this game here intrigues me ....... ignore the landslide scoreline, but just check some of the plays from this RB Absolute Bulldozer ! ..... this guy is just demolishing tacklers like they don't exist
 ...... check this play (there are a few more like this) :-
13:05 2 and 1 to go on opp 47, Slavomír Bena (OC) snaps the ball to Slávek Ambrož (QB), hands off to Silvester Velég (HB/C), this seems to be a run over the center, Silvester Velég (HB/C) breaks the tackle of Rondall Tyson (MLB), he breaks the tackling of Denis Dzhalolov (SS/C), he is able to avoid the tackling of Samuel Sammons (FS/R), forward progress: 47 yards (Big I formation vs. 3-3-5) So I scouted all the players involved ..... without giving exact numbers from the Scout Reports, the RB is v.good but to me he's not perfect as he lacks strength and he's quite one-skilled (Carrying). But what is more worrying is if you Scout the MLB and the Strong Safety .... the MLB is a v.good player but a bit one-skilled (Tackling), and the SS is similar ........ now I'm not here to rip apart the skills of the Defensive players, my point is this ..... The players involved here are all very good players, therefore it worries me to see how easily the one-skilled RB runs straight through the Defense as though it doesn't exist (if you check the game, this is not an isolated play, there are other similar plays by the same RB). Am I missing something here, or (ignoring the obvious wage penalty) does it make sense to deliberately one-skill your players to a high degree in order to get dominant performances from those (one-skilled) players during games ???? 
btw ... if anyone posts to say "yes, but the Defensive players are lacking in X & Y skills ... blah blah blah "....... my reply is this ... to me, the RB is v.good but one-skilled and the Defensive players are v.good but one-skilled .... so shouldn't the 2 one-skillers negate each other to a large degree ? The more I look at some of these plays, the stranger (and more worrying) they seem ....... |
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hosh13
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posted: 2012-11-14 11:15:19 (ID: 68370) Report Abuse |
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This is simple for me. The main point here is that a LB's tackle is broken (fair enough), but since the new engine accomplishes a passing game via poor tackling from the secondary, you then get the 2 SFs missing as well.
This play would most very likely not have occured with the old engine - one of the SFs would have made the tackle. |
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notsch
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posted: 2012-11-14 11:57:06 (ID: 68384) Report Abuse |
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Pete once mentioned, that in the beginning of each half the players have kind of a reversed-fatigue..meaning they don´t use there full potential in the beginning cause they aren´t in the zone or something.
This behavior lead in the past to a lot of long runs, but almost exclusively in the beginning of the 1st quarter (at the beginning of the second half this "anti-fatigue" isn´t that pronounced anymore). In the mentioned game the named RB had all his long runs in the first 7:30 of the game. What i wanted to state is, that this has to be taken into account...as well as the 3-3-5 against the Big-I (this is the impact of the new engine)... Last edited on 2012-11-14 11:58:37 by notsch |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-11-14 12:24:30 (ID: 68392) Report Abuse |
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notsch wrote:
...as well as the 3-3-5 against the Big-I (this is the impact of the new engine)... I'm not convinced that this is a 'formation vs formation' issue .... the MLB and SS were there to make the tackle, so it doesn't look like a 'coverage' problem to me, it could probably have happened against any Def formation that includes a LB and a SF........ the issue to me is how does that RB run through all the defenders like a bowling ball knocking down skittles ('ninepins' if you're unfortunate enough to converse in American  ) |
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JonnyP
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posted: 2012-11-14 12:40:10 (ID: 68396) Report Abuse |
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Agility?
Maybe 
That RB does have rather good agility! |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-11-14 12:52:40 (ID: 68398) Report Abuse |
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JonnyP wrote:
Agility? Maybe
That RB does have rather good agility! Yes and no .... that RB looks to me like a Draft RB who has basically been trained in nothing but Carrying since arriving on the owner's Roster .... there are plenty of other Draft RB's playing out there (almost every Manager probably has one), but I've not seen many who are breaking tackles like that Player does. Don't get me wrong, I actually think Agility is underrated .... and I know from your previous posts that you rate Agility highly especially for your FB's etc ... but I'm just not convinced that Agility is the full story here, although it certainly may be a factor. |
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KingOfTh3Hil
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posted: 2012-11-14 13:27:22 (ID: 68404) Report Abuse |
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Feel free to scout my RB Forslund and tell me what you think.
He have almost never made a long TD. Atleast not this season (yet) and was maybe just 2-3 long td last season... So i dont think agility has that high of a factor, atleast alone.. |
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sh8888
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posted: 2012-11-14 13:35:52 (ID: 68405) Report Abuse |
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I did, and here's what I think ..... Verdict: Very agile but very expensive
seriously, I see what you mean .... your player has his Agility pumped up to the 40's, similar to the RB in question who has his Carrying pumped up to the 40's. lol ...interesting to see all the different ways that Managers build players for the same Position, that's why when I see the posts about "cookie-cutter player builds" it just makes me laugh, the Player builds in this game can be astonishingly different. |
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| posted: 2012-11-14 13:48:28 (ID: 68411) Report Abuse | |
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Lets say the rusher needs skills A, B and C, and the tackler needs D, E and F
A and D are very high, while others are low. What happens in the engine Lets say we calculate a single tackle after the RB passed the OL/DL battle zone: rusher= 80% of A + 80% of B + 50% of C tackler= 80% of D + 80% of E + 50% of F This means, C and F are helpers, the other are "important". so lets skip about C and F for the moment, and skip the percentage for importance too.. Let A and D be 40, while B and E are 15, OK? A + B = 55 D + E = 55 equal, the oneskilled rusher has a chance versus the oneskilled tackler. Lets change the numbers Let A and B be 25, while D = 30 and E are 15, OK? A + B = 50 D + E = 45 The tackler has "no chance". And, the rusher is not oneskilled, while the tackler is... I never said oneskilled guys would do nothing on the field, and especially in the beginning of a player career it might be helpful to raise only one skill. But be warned, this is not possible in long term, and won't help you winning anything versus good managed teams. This is exactly the reason I mentioned equal training to be better than one-skill-wonders. Hope this makes it clear, and I am sure most of you understood it that way already. Disclaimer: of course the shown math does not represent the math we are using in the engine. Last edited on 2012-11-14 13:56:09 by pete |
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Tarjan
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posted: 2012-11-14 13:55:14 (ID: 68414) Report Abuse |
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pete wrote:
Disclaimer: of course the shown math does not represent the math we are using in the engine. oh come on
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