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  Poll: should we go for the described transfer system, as written below?, Poll closed, votes: 337
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posted: 2013-01-03 13:34:20 (ID: 74506) Report Abuse
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First of all: for the moment we will call it trade, no matter if this is wrong or right.


Added/changed to the original idea

1.) the offer receiving manager cannot accept the an offer before the "Create Offer" Period of 3 days is over, bids are made without knowing about other bids, so they are blind bids

2.) The selling manager has 2 days time to s e l e c t one offer as valid, he can chose from the not refused offers whichever he likes.

3.) On the Tradeboard the managers can see the bid history for that trade, that includes reasons for rejecting an offer, the price the offer was at, and the offering manager.

4.) There won't be anything like a trade police or a trading commision. Each comment on the trade gets an abuse button, where you can call the admins with

5.) We have negative comments, called vetoes on a trade. We will add positive comments too, and each positive comment kills one veto. By this the community itself could "fix" the vetos.

6.) The transfer comes true after 3 days, if the result out of 5.) is good enough, numbers are in work
All other options are untouched.

Woul this be better?

No, no Ebay bid system
No, no Player vs Player or Player vs Draft trades are possible yet

Added some changes, bold

Last edited on 2013-01-03 14:23:34 by pete

Buffalo
posted: 2013-01-03 13:40:19 (ID: 74509) Report Abuse
7 days seem to be too long for me. How long is the veto period?

So a trade process need around 2 weeks. If the community put their veto on the trade, than the seller need 2 more weeks for a second attempt and so on.

Would it be possible to run the "alpha.2" version with a 3 day offer period? Only for testing.
Firenze
posted: 2013-01-03 13:42:13 (ID: 74510) Report Abuse
Buffalo wrote:
7 days seem to be too long for me. How long is the veto period?

So a trade process need around 2 weeks. If the community put their veto on the trade, than the seller need 2 more weeks for a second attempt and so on.

Would it be possible to run the "alpha.2" version with a 3 day offer period? Only for testing.


Agree with all of this. Takes 3-4 days to sell a player on the TM, should be a similar time span for 'trades'

Last edited on 2013-01-03 13:42:38 by Firenze

notsch
posted: 2013-01-03 13:43:13 (ID: 74511) Report Abuse
Buffalo wrote:
7 days seem to be too long for me. How long is the veto period?

So a trade process need around 2 weeks. If the community put their veto on the trade, than the seller need 2 more weeks for a second attempt and so on.

Would it be possible to run the "alpha.2" version with a 3 day offer period? Only for testing.


+1
holmeboy
posted: 2013-01-03 13:46:06 (ID: 74512) Report Abuse
I agree with buffalo that 3-4 days would be best. I think a trade should take about 7 days total.

This is going in the right direction tho!

Tbh the only way we'll be able to work it out properly is if people begin taking the vetoing seriously, instead of leaving comments like 'because its testing and I can' or 'just because'.

I liked buffalo's idea of blind bidding.
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posted: 2013-01-03 13:47:08 (ID: 74513) Report Abuse
We could lower the values...

Now it is

7 days offer period, 2 days selection period, and 7 days veto period

We could easily change this to 3 days offer period, 2 days selection period, and 3 days veto period

But this makes it still a 8 days trade over all. We will never achieve a 3 days period
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posted: 2013-01-03 13:48:34 (ID: 74514) Report Abuse
holmeboy wrote:
I agree with buffalo that 3-4 days would be best. I think a trade should take about 7 days total.

This is going in the right direction tho!

Tbh the only way we'll be able to work it out properly is if people begin taking the vetoing seriously, instead of leaving comments like 'because its testing and I can' or 'just because'.

I liked buffalo's idea of blind bidding.


I dislike only the fact that if my offer got refused with "too low", I shouldnt have a second shot. The others are quite similar to the "second attempt"

holmeboy
posted: 2013-01-03 13:52:13 (ID: 74515) Report Abuse
Thats a good point actually. Didn't think of that!

3-2-3 sounds better than 7-2-7. 16 days for a trade is just too long.

edit: Is this implemented now? I'll put up a few more players if it is...

Last edited on 2013-01-03 13:54:25 by holmeboy

Buffalo
posted: 2013-01-03 13:53:40 (ID: 74517) Report Abuse
pete wrote:
We could lower the values...

Now it is

7 days offer period, 2 days selection period, and 7 days veto period

We could easily change this to 3 days offer period, 2 days selection period, and 3 days veto period

But this makes it still a 8 days trade over all. We will never achieve a 3 days period


This would be ok for now and can be adjusted in all directions in the beta version.
notsch
posted: 2013-01-03 13:56:24 (ID: 74518) Report Abuse
Yeah, why not giving just 1 try for every trade player and in the end the seller has to choose out of the 3-5 highest bids.
Probably this will lead to people heavily pm-ing the seller and many close-to-deadline bids...


Of course one could also imagine a system, where simply noone knows all the bids unless the bidding period is over. After that the seller gets to know all bids and has to decids (maybe also restricted to the highest bids)
In such a system one could also allow more than one bidding over the course of the bidding period.
Since noone knows what is the highes bet, this system is not that easy to exploit.

Last edited on 2013-01-03 13:58:20 by notsch

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