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wiesengrund
posted: 2013-02-11 08:30:07 (ID: 82321) Report Abuse
I played a scrimmage yesterday and something odd happened. I was testing SG2 Pass vs. Dime coverage, and it turned out my TEs had way better games than my WRs,:

WRs caught 13 for 96 (7.4 YPC) und 0 BrcTack
TEs caught 27 für 265 (9.8 YPC) und 16 BrcTack

Which of course makes a bit sense: You would figure the strong TEs would be able to physically dominate the 3rd and 4th CBs in the dime, while the Outside WRs would be blanketed by the two most talented CBs.

Turns out, the missed tackles on the D were all on the #1 und #2 CB! And going through the gamelog, there were consistently inner passes to a TE, a missed tackle by the top CB to this side, and then a clean up tackle by the #3 or #4 CB.

So this raises two questions:

- Does a missed tackle "slow down" a ball carrier? (This would explain, why weaker #3 and #4 CBs can make tackles that seconds eralier were missed by stronger and more talented #1 and #2 CBs)
- Where do the CBs line up in the Dime? How can the #1 and #2 CBs consistently be the first to attempt tackles on inner passes to TEs, when they're actually supposed to be covering the outside WRs? All four CBs have speed 48+, so it's not like the #3 and #4 are just physically to slow to get to the TE first.

Does anyone have a clue how the Dime is really setup on the field?
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mrrich
posted: 2013-02-11 08:55:16 (ID: 82329) Report Abuse
Maybe it's not how they're lined up, but perhaps their assignment?

For example, I have never read anywhere if the backs are playing man or zone. I would have imagined man but who knows
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wiesengrund
posted: 2013-02-11 08:57:53 (ID: 82330) Report Abuse
My general assumption was that the best guys are outside and the #3 and #4 inside. This would be irrelevant of man or zone, and in both cases they should have a much harder time beating the inner CBs to inner passes. Now I'm wondering if they are even lined up oustide.
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mrrich
posted: 2013-02-11 14:18:08 (ID: 82409) Report Abuse
Well the reason I brought up the zone thing would be that if the number 1 and 2 corners were in almost a cover 2 and the TE's were going to the outside, that could be the reason they're being tackled... but you're right, doesn't make much sense if the passes are over the middle.
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Buddy Ryan
posted: 2013-02-11 16:55:26 (ID: 82463) Report Abuse
if you take the graphic of the Dime in the manual seriously, could it be that the outside CBs defend zones at the line of scrimmage, while CBs 3-4 drop to cover deeper areas? nickel- and dime-CBs seem to be lined up slighty deeper than their colleagues on the outside:
Source: http://redzoneaction.org/football/images/formation/dime.jpg

Last edited on 2013-02-11 17:11:53 by Buddy Ryan
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wiesengrund
posted: 2013-02-12 07:54:04 (ID: 82570) Report Abuse
Buddy Ryan wrote:
if you take the graphic of the Dime in the manual seriously, could it be that the outside CBs defend zones at the line of scrimmage, while CBs 3-4 drop to cover deeper areas? nickel- and dime-CBs seem to be lined up slighty deeper than their colleagues on the outside:


That is a posibility, yes, but even playing deeper it seems like just by being inside they should be closer to any inner route of a TE than the oustide guys. 32 of my attempts over the middle went medium, compared to only ten in the short area around the line of scrimmage, and indeed most of those inner passes where the first tackle attempt was by #1/#2 came in the 10+ yards area....
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Buffalo
posted: 2013-02-12 08:05:32 (ID: 82574) Report Abuse
I think the CBs 3 and 4 are more like "safeties" for CB 1 and 2. Pete said, that the engine measures the distances between defenders and receivers. The CBs 1 and 2 have mostly better Speed and positioning and are closer to the LOS and the result is, that this CBs face the receiver earlier.

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wiesengrund
posted: 2013-02-12 08:29:08 (ID: 82579) Report Abuse
Here are my four CBs:

CB #1 SPE 48 POS 14
CB #2 SPE 49 POS 15
CB #3 SPE 50 POS 13
CB #4 SPE 48 POS 17

I really don't think those "differences" can explain that.
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scottishbronco
posted: 2013-02-13 01:12:17 (ID: 82782) Report Abuse
what are your corners vision skills at?
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wiesengrund
posted: 2013-02-13 18:22:22 (ID: 82952) Report Abuse
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